News & Discussion: Trams

[SBD]

Plus if the gradient at North Tce/King William is a problem for trams turning, just wait till someone points out the gradient on Frome Rd as you complete this little loop & return to North Tce.

Concept art of the tramline on Frome:

After biking up that hill for years I could have done with one of those after a long day at work!

How steep is Frome Road compared to the gradient of the tram overpass over the railway line at Goodwood (and the former one at Bowden). I guess it's steeper than King William Road?

[ml69]

There is absolutely no need to take the tram behind Adelaide Uni. STUPID IDEA.

[rubberman]

Concept art of the tramline on Frome:

After biking up that hill for years I could have done with one of those after a long day at work!

How steep is Frome Road compared to the gradient of the tram overpass over the railway line at Goodwood (and the former one at Bowden). I guess it's steeper than King William Road?

I suspect that the issue is the combination of a twist and a bend where the Frome and Nth Tce tracks would join. It could only work for trams with short turning radii. They exist, but I suggest nobody here knows about them.

[rubberman]

Right turn Report - Damnation of Citadis

https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/__ ... o_DPTI.pdf

[Westside]

Right turn Report - Damnation of Citadis

https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/__ ... o_DPTI.pdf

Did anyone else read the part where it talked about "The ultimate tram network" :

• 10-minute frequency service from/to Glenelg - Entertainment Centre
• 10-minute frequency service from/to Glenelg - North Adelaide (not constructed)
• 10-minute frequency service Glenelg - East End looping back to Glenelg via a proposed East Terrace and Gouger Street link
• 10-minute frequency shuttle from South Terrace to RAH

So that would make it a 3-4 minute frequency service to Glenelg!?? - and that assumes their loop only operates one way. Otherwise it then becomes a 2.5 minute frequency to serve lines from Glenelg to EC, NA and the loop both clockwise and anti-clockwise. Seriously. Why are DPTI listening to these fools!?

[ml69]

Not directly linked to Adelaide trams but interesting FYI anyway ... the contract price for the 12km Parramatta light rail is an eye-watering $2.4bn (including all associated works)!!

http://www.parramattalightrail.nsw.gov. ... cts-signed

[Pistol]

Not directly linked to Adelaide trams but interesting FYI anyway ... the contract price for the 12km Parramatta light rail is an eye-watering $2.4bn (including all associated works)!!

http://www.parramattalightrail.nsw.gov. ... cts-signed

Interesting tracks in that concept image...

[Waewick]

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[claybro]

Saw on a travel show the tram system in Bordeaux without overhead wires. If this technology exists, why are we still persisting with overhead? Is it a costlier system does anyone know?

[rubberman]

Saw on a travel show the tram system in Bordeaux without overhead wires. If this technology exists, why are we still persisting with overhead? Is it a costlier system does anyone know?

Ask Sydney. It's only about three times as expensive as overhead wires. Oh, and Citadis trams.

If you want to look at possible tram system improvements, then Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, or Switzerland are the places to go. France, Spain, England, all dropped trams in the 1950s. Thus, recent developments have a huge percentage of reinventing wheels in those countries. Much of Melbourne's technology is back in the 1990s because Mr Kennett got rid of much of the know-how of the old M&MTB.

Thus, for example, while in the Czech Republic they have developed high speed turnouts for trams, Melbourne requires trams stop before each set of points because tram pointwork tech in Australia is frozen in time. Similarly, while in Germany, Poland, Czech Republic Switzerland, buses commonly mingle with trams on trams-only reservations, it doesn't happen here, thus making our systems far less flexible (eg, special event and no extra trams available? Put on some buses).

[PeFe]

Saw on a travel show the tram system in Bordeaux without overhead wires. If this technology exists, why are we still persisting with overhead? Is it a costlier system does anyone know?

Not only is it more expensive, it is also proprietary technology....you can only run one brand of trams across the wireless technology.

Sydney will end with 2 "different" tram systems....

[EBG]

Some details about the French APS system to supply trams with power without wire can be found on the link:

https://www.alstom.com/aps-service-prov ... operations.
This is the proprietary of Alstom.
This system was initially very expensive and only used in areas of very high heritage buildings. APS was translated into English as "The Astronomically Priced System"

[SBD]

Some details about the French APS system to supply trams with power without wire can be found on the link:

https://www.alstom.com/aps-service-prov ... operations.
This is the proprietary of Alstom.
This system was initially very expensive and only used in areas of very high heritage buildings. APS was translated into English as "The Astronomically Priced System"

"Heritage" is different in different places. In Adelaide, the "areas of high heritage" are likely to require overhead tram power lines, as they did between 1914 and 1954. "No overheads" would be required for the "modern" places.

[ghs (but alot worse)]

Some details about the French APS system to supply trams with power without wire can be found on the link:

https://www.alstom.com/aps-service-prov ... operations.
This is the proprietary of Alstom.
This system was initially very expensive and only used in areas of very high heritage buildings. APS was translated into English as "The Astronomically Priced System"

"Heritage" is different in different places. In Adelaide, the "areas of high heritage" are likely to require overhead tram power lines, as they did between 1914 and 1954. "No overheads" would be required for the "modern" places.

Adelaide doesn’t have heritage. Adelaide doesn’t have anything. I hate trams. They’re a waste of time. This whole topic is a waste of time. Crawf delete it please.

[SBD]

Some details about the French APS system to supply trams with power without wire can be found on the link:

https://www.alstom.com/aps-service-prov ... operations.
This is the proprietary of Alstom.
This system was initially very expensive and only used in areas of very high heritage buildings. APS was translated into English as "The Astronomically Priced System"

"Heritage" is different in different places. In Adelaide, the "areas of high heritage" are likely to require overhead tram power lines, as they did between 1914 and 1954. "No overheads" would be required for the "modern" places.

Adelaide doesn’t have heritage. Adelaide doesn’t have anything. I hate trams. They’re a waste of time. This whole topic is a waste of time. Crawf delete it please.

Nice troll!

I suspect trams are great where there are enough people to need a 10-minute or better service on routes that are no more than 10km, especially if the demand is spread along the route, not focused on one end, and definitely not requiring park-and-ride at the other end. O-bahn is better if the demand s diffused around one end and focussed at the other end. Conventional rail is better if there is a need for big park-and-ride one end and focused the other end. Buses are better if it's light and diffuse.