The Federal Politics Thread

[monotonehell]

My advice is to vote for the party that can get people working and generating wealth without sending us into more debt. Again an oversimplification, but those are the fundamentals. The rest will come.

Well you said that's not Labor, and it certainly isn't the current incarnation of the Coalition. So are you advocating to vote for the Greens?

[rev]

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How about them Greens.

[crawf]

How about them Greens.

We are f*cked either way.

[monotonehell]

Geeze the Labor Party really have a hard on for the Greens, hey?

It's like they are worried that the Greens are winning votes from people who are disenfranchised with all the times Labor has voted with the Coalition and moved further to the right, instead of staying left of centre.

Labor are leaking votes because of their actions. They think that spreading these kind of half truths and outright lies will win their voter base back. But they have their heads so firmly planted up their collective arse that they can't see what they are doing is wrong.

[claybro]

My advice is to vote for the party that can get people working and generating wealth without sending us into more debt. Again an oversimplification, but those are the fundamentals. The rest will come.

Well you said that's not Labor, and it certainly isn't the current incarnation of the Coalition. So are you advocating to vote for the Greens?

Yeh we get it, you are a greens fanboi! Never mind the fact that Australia's unemployment rate is low by world standards. So much for the Libs not creating employment.

[monotonehell]

My advice is to vote for the party that can get people working and generating wealth without sending us into more debt. Again an oversimplification, but those are the fundamentals. The rest will come.

Well you said that's not Labor, and it certainly isn't the current incarnation of the Coalition. So are you advocating to vote for the Greens?

Yeh we get it, you are a greens fanboi! Never mind the fact that Australia's unemployment rate is low by world standards. So much for the Libs not creating employment.

It's more about who has disappointed me the least with their actions and votes for/against legislation in the past few years. Greens have been consistent and rational (except maybe during the last phase of the current election campaign mania) and have voted against things like the TPP, massive surveillance, and for things like a national ICAC. While Labor have been voting with the Coalition on all but a few union related bills.

I'm putting numbers on my vote according to how the parties have voted in the parliament. Right now that puts Greens first, Labor somewhere under that and the Coalition very near the bottom.

Hardly a fanboi. Politics is not a sport.

[rev]

How scared are Labor and Liberal?
So scared they are going to preference each other ahead of everyone else.
Unless you mark out your preferences on the ballot paper.

I wonder how many traditional Liberal and Labor voters will preference, or let the parties preference each other, or vote for someone else in disgust?

The shambolic nature of our political landscape just keeps getting worse.
There's no real statesman to lead our nation..at least none who are being selected as leaders of either major party.

Let the Donkey Voters reign supreme.

[rev]

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[stumpjumper]

You're right rev. There's too much short term buying of votes by Labor and the LNP, and not enough consideration of what's best for the country and not enough leaders of any quality in either. Shorten's beholden to the unrepresentative unions, and Turnbull's an egotistic dill. The Greens run around, partly propelled by their wacko socialist and environmental agendas, and partly by trying to hoover up votes from any fringe loonies out there.

If it were up to Shorten, we'd be screwed by out of control spending and kow-towing to unions, and if it were up to the LNP, which it looks like it will be, we'll be screwed by Turnbull's lousy judgment and reticence to act and maybe offend someone. If it were up to the Greens, we'd be broke in about a week and living in mud huts with the lights off under a UN sponsored socialist world government.

The Greens... save us. They're against coal mining, but want to cash up Arrium's Whyalla steelworks. What do you need to make steel? COAL. It doesn't just provide heat for blast furnaces. Handily, it provides the carbon the process needs as well. There is no other economical way to produce steel. You can't shut down coal mining and promote Whyalla in the same breath. The Greens are in la la land on coal and steel and a lot else. They'll never have to form a government, but their senators love their cushy jobs and they'll continue to abuse their unfortunately pivotal undemocratic position in parliament as long as people are dumb enough to vote for them.

[monotonehell]

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lol The first rule of the Internet is never photograph yourself holding up a sign because dickheads will photoshop it.

If it were up to Shorten, we'd be screwed by out of control spending...

The Coalition are pretty good at out of control spending too. They just direct the money flow to their mates instead of Labor's mates, while reducing any and all public services so they can later claim that they are failing and their mates could do a better job.

What you have there Stumpy, is a set of myths that don't really hold up. These days Labor and Libs are almost indistinguishable except on very few policy points. The Greens have moved to the left of centre vacuum caused by the major parties trying to race each other as far to the Right as they can go.

Based on house voting record and policies the Greens (and Xenophon) have been acting with the public in mind, the others not so much.

[[Shuz]]

Um, Xenophon voted with the Coalition about 90%+ of the time. Hardly acting in the public's interest. He's basically an independent Liberal.

[monotonehell]

Um, Xenophon voted with the Coalition about 90%+ of the time. Hardly acting in the public's interest. He's basically an independent Liberal.

You're right... who was I thinking of? derp derp

[Wayno]

Party politics to the side, a major economic lever is reducing company tax. Both major parties know this to be true. I'm voting to bring this into effect ASAP.

[rev]

Um, Xenophon voted with the Coalition about 90%+ of the time. Hardly acting in the public's interest. He's basically an independent Liberal.

You're right... who was I thinking of? derp derp

Let me refer you to an image I posted earlier on this page..



Voted to cut age pensions
Voted to defeat a call to support the local ship building industry in SA
Voted to change senate voting to help the coalition

Now that may be an image generated by the Labor Party, but those are facts on there are they not?

And Xenophon can kiss my ass as well.
If people think he's a sell out already, wait and see the damage he will do if his party does get as many seats as predicted, and we get a coalition government again.
On the other hand, Shorten is a sleazy weasel who I wouldn't trust to temporarily hold on to an empty box for me.

If people really want to make a protest vote, forget Greens and Xenophon. They should vote for all the smaller minor parties.
Imagine when the Liberal Democrats, Australia First Party, One Nation, Australian Sex Party, Christian Democratic Party, Democratic Labour Party, Rise Up Australia Party, Bullet Train for Australia, Secular Party of Australia, Animal Justice Party, Non-Custodial Parents Party, Australian First Nations Political Party..got say, a combined 25-40% of the vote.
At the last election they got just over 4% of the vote.

We have a Bullet Train for Australia party. Who knew.
We should register the Sensational-Adelaide Development Party next time.

[SRW]

Party politics to the side, a major economic lever is reducing company tax. Both major parties know this to be true. I'm voting to bring this into effect ASAP.

Both parties have at various points claimed this be true, but the opinion of serious economists and other experts regarding big company tax cuts is far less affirmed. I would look further into that before basing my vote on a (Coalition) policy that probably won't deliver any benefit to the economy let alone to the lives of most Australians.