#VIS: Inner-City Stadium/Riverbank Precinct

[BenJ]

If the AUFC can fund a stadium, we'll get a cheaper Hindmarsh clone on the fringe of the CBD. Not really much of an improvement.

You've seen the design I trust? Hardly a Hindmarsh clone, 45,000 seater, bells, whistles, hotel, bars etc. On the outskirts admittedly but still in a great position especially when they extend that tram a bit further West...

That's my interpretation of what's going on. I just wish they'd COMMUNICATE that, instead of being all arrogant and secretive.

Sure. The weird thing is that I think that message would be quite popular, it's understandable and would go down well with a practical bunch of people and then they could dismiss the opposition as jeopardising our economic future by focusing on frivolous pursuits. Surely someone in the state gov has thought about this???

[Shuz]

I'm only in favour of an AAMI redevelopment provided that the surrounding locality is extensively enhanced with greater PT access (tramline to surrounding region and city) and more development to continue (as is already happening) at West Lakes.

[rhino]

As long as there is good planning and they don't make quick or ad hoc decisions on the run (like putting a hospital on prime real estate) then I'm optimistic about the future.

I don't think putting the Marj on the railyards was an ad hoc decision at all - it's just not a decision the younger generation, in general, wants. Hospitals today take up horizontal space - you don't have hospitals in skyscrapers, it's impractical. We need a new central hospital - it needs to be close to public transport so that visitors can come and go easily, and it needs to be on a major road so that emergency vehicles can access it easily. A lot of visitors to major hospitals stay for half a day or more - they need somewhere to get out for a walk for half an hour, have a coffee, have a snack, etc. The railyards site meets these criteria. There are train, tram (proposed) and bus routes that people can access the site from, walkways along the Torrens, a plaza with cafes/restaurants planned.

Perhaps what the Govt should have done was said "We need a new hospital. We are going to do some research into where the best place for it would be, and why. We'll let you know in x months' time." The fact that they didn't say this does not mean that they went and made an ad hoc decision.

[monotonehell]

You've seen the design I trust? Hardly a Hindmarsh clone, 45,000 seater, bells, whistles, hotel, bars etc. On the outskirts admittedly but still in a great position especially when they extend that tram a bit further West...

I have and that's why I said it. It's not an exciting design by any architectural standards, it's not an inner city stadium along S-A's vision, and moving it a short walk down Port Road isn't much of an improvement on location. The only thing it does is triple the capacity.

Sure. The weird thing is that I think that message would be quite popular, it's understandable and would go down well with a practical bunch of people and then they could dismiss the opposition as jeopardising our economic future by focusing on frivolous pursuits. Surely someone in the state gov has thought about this???

That's why I've become suspicious that Labor don't have any vision. Surely if they did they'd be out there promoting it? But I'm somewhat in two minds about it as the projects they've wheeled out seem to mesh into an imagined bigger picture.

I don't think putting the Marj on the railyards was an ad hoc decision at all - it's just not a decision the younger generation, in general, wants. Hospitals today take up horizontal space - you don't have hospitals in skyscrapers, it's impractical. We need a new central hospital - it needs to be close to public transport so that visitors can come and go easily, and it needs to be on a major road so that emergency vehicles can access it easily. A lot of visitors to major hospitals stay for half a day or more - they need somewhere to get out for a walk for half an hour, have a coffee, have a snack, etc. The railyards site meets these criteria. There are train, tram (proposed) and bus routes that people can access the site from, walkways along the Torrens, a plaza with cafes/restaurants planned.

Perhaps what the Govt should have done was said "We need a new hospital. We are going to do some research into where the best place for it would be, and why. We'll let you know in x months' time." The fact that they didn't say this does not mean that they went and made an ad hoc decision.

Exactly - the Marj is a decent design, for a much needed set of facilities in a very good location. It's just that we'd rather see something else more "fun" there.

[BenJ]

That's why I've become suspicious that Labor don't have any vision. Surely if they did they'd be out there promoting it? But I'm somewhat in two minds about it as the projects they've wheeled out seem to mesh into an imagined bigger picture.

It's all apart of Rann's Machiavellian vision...

As for the location of the hospital, I agree on the criteria outlined by Rhino but I'm sure there are other locations that would also fill these criteria, many of which have already been proposed on this forum. Yes Monotone, I'd like something more 'fun' damn it! If the government doesn't see the potential for the railyards, riverside area (think Southbank in Melbourne etc), there is something seriously wrong. It should be tourist central, city drawcard, convention capital, entertainment and sporting mecca of Adelaide but instead we're going to whack a hospital there and anyone who tries to say that Adelaide isn't a conservative retirees paradise will find their position just that much harder to argue.

[monotonehell]

As for the location of the hospital, I agree on the criteria outlined by Rhino but I'm sure there are other locations that would also fill these criteria, many of which have already been proposed on this forum. Yes Monotone, I'd like something more 'fun' damn it! If the government doesn't see the potential for the railyards, riverside area (think Southbank in Melbourne etc), there is something seriously wrong. It should be tourist central, city drawcard, convention capital, entertainment and sporting mecca of Adelaide but instead we're going to whack a hospital there and anyone who tries to say that Adelaide isn't a conservative retirees paradise will find their position just that much harder to argue.

Pfft rubbish - retirees have more free time to make use of such an entertainment precinct - your thesis is disproved.

[Ho Really]

...A lot of visitors to major hospitals stay for half a day or more - they need somewhere to get out for a walk for half an hour, have a coffee, have a snack, etc. The railyards site meets these criteria. There are train, tram (proposed) and bus routes that people can access the site from, walkways along the Torrens, a plaza with cafes/restaurants planned...

They'll have to access the Torrens by a walkway over the railway lines that will probably have high fencing as to stop people from jumping off!! Would prefer access to the Botanical Gardens and lay under a tree... Seriously though, take your pick.

Cheers

[Ho Really]

You've seen the design I trust? Hardly a Hindmarsh clone, 45,000 seater, bells, whistles, hotel, bars etc. On the outskirts admittedly but still in a great position especially when they extend that tram a bit further West...

I have and that's why I said it. It's not an exciting design by any architectural standards, it's not an inner city stadium along S-A's vision, and moving it a short walk down Port Road isn't much of an improvement on location. The only thing it does is triple the capacity.

What you've seen is only a model and if it is the same as what is in Frankfurt (or even better as someone else suggested the one in Gelsenkirchen) then we'll have a world-class stadium. The exterior will not matter much, but it could be embellished later if they desired so (to something like the Allianz Arena in Munich) when there will be more money available.

I would also see the local federation moving office to here and Hindmarsh Stadium sold for residential or other purposes.

Cheers

[monotonehell]

What you've seen is only a model and if it is the same as what is in Frankfurt (or even better as someone else suggested the one in Gelsenkirchen) then we'll have a world-class stadium. The exterior will not matter much, but it could be embellished later if they desired so (to something like the Allianz Arena in Munich) when there will be more money available.

Are you saying that the model isn't categorically representative of the design? Or just hoping? Is there an actual design at this stage? *crosses fingers for something good* All the same - it's still only a marginal improvement when we could have so much more.

[adam73837]

I read that article in the paper a few days ago about Andrew Demetriou stating that the AFl will not play at a stadium in the city. Very well then Mr I-think-that-I-can-speak-on-behalf-of-all-south-australians-despite-the-fact-that-i-don't-live-there-and-therefore-have-no-right-to-control-such-a-decision, perhaps the AFL would like to pull the money out of their own pocket to upgrade AAMI Stadium, or perhaps they'd like to use their own money to pay for the cost of running the free bus services. Or better still, perhaps they'd like to pay for a train line extension from the Grange Line to AAMI or an entire tramline extension from the city altogether! This list goes on.
If they can't/ don't want to do any of those things, they should just sSHUT UP and let the people of Adelaide speak for themselves!

[cruel_world00]

Lowest Showdown attendance on record.

Today was a prime example of why AAMI is just not good enough. People do not even want to go to the premier footy fixture in our state (outside of finals). Doesn't this tell you something idiots at SANFL, AFL and Rann Headquarters.

I wait with baited breath for Australia to ever get a look-in at the World Cup and hope that SA gets overlooked as a venue just to stick it up these stubborn wankers.

/end rant.

[Norman]

Well, first, the weather was very poor, and second, it was a Power home game, which are usually lower on capacity.

[cruel_world00]

Well, first, the weather was very poor, and second, it was a Power home game, which are usually lower on capacity.

Exactly, the weather is a factor!

But the Port thing shouldn't really make a difference because there should be more seats available for the 50,000 Crows supporters to squeeze in to.

[Cruise]

Well, first, the weather was very poor, and second, it was a Power home game, which are usually lower on capacity.

Exactly, the weather is a factor!

But the Port thing shouldn't really make a difference because there should be more seats available for the 50,000 Crows supporters to squeeze in to.

You don't understand, Crows supporters are scared to go to a game where their supporters are not the majority.

[cruel_world00]

Well, first, the weather was very poor, and second, it was a Power home game, which are usually lower on capacity.

Exactly, the weather is a factor!

But the Port thing shouldn't really make a difference because there should be more seats available for the 50,000 Crows supporters to squeeze in to.

You don't understand, Crows supporters are scared to go to a game where their supporters are not the majority.

Well I must be in the minority, because I didn't go today because I hate AAMI not because I was going to be outnumbered.

Your theory also is proven with the amount of Crows supporters who travel to Melb etc for away games *rolls eyes*.