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Will there be an “enlivened plaza” from this?Prodical wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:19 pmGoodness when I look at the levels of corruption around the place, this is really small beans. And we can talk for however long, but the deal was done 10 years ago under different Governments in order to breath life into the dead and moribund area.
And out of this "corruption" will be an enlivened plaza and Adelaide's new tallest.
So,
Compared with what was there before, yes.gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:28 pmWill there be an “enlivened plaza” from this?Prodical wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:19 pmGoodness when I look at the levels of corruption around the place, this is really small beans. And we can talk for however long, but the deal was done 10 years ago under different Governments in order to breath life into the dead and moribund area.
And out of this "corruption" will be an enlivened plaza and Adelaide's new tallest.
So,
Is this the former lively plaza your referring too?
Didn't refer to the previous plaza as lively, did I?VinyTapestry849 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 8:49 pmIs this the former lively plaza your referring too?
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But none of it is organic thoroughfare and by that I mean, the reliance solely rests on sporting events and staged public events on the plaza which has limited capabilities compared to say Victoria Square; which reminds me of when Greater Union reopened on Hindley Street and poached Adelaide Film Festival from PalaceNova EastEnd as if that wa s going to bring in the regular punters. You're kidding yourselves if you believe that university students and government workers are going to spend $100+ per head at Station Road Wine Bar type venues. We can talk about the state of the former plaza before this development, but not a single person on here is arguing that something needed to be done with the space; it's more an argument of what should have been done with this space. It's still legally considered park-land and so I would expect a complete public use for the space. Me, personally? I wanted to see an expanded Festival Centre featuring a concert hall, recital hall and theatre round with a similar approach to Arts Centre in Melbourne whereby it's structurally (for the most part) underground with hospitality offerings on a laneway between Parliament House and the Festival Centre (similar to Market Square laneway behind the Hilton and Sir Samuel Way Building). It would involve some hefty public investment but it's then ours, the same government who planned this redevelopment were willing to invest heavily in the redevelopment of Adelaide Oval so I'm at a loss as to why they didn't believe that our city's premier Arts Centre didn't deserve the same sort of (overdue) TLC. In an ideal world, the ARS wouldn't house Adelaide Casino but instead public servants, which then makes up your daily foot-traffic to the area but even then, what I wanted for the area could have still been achieved with the inclusion of Festival Tower One, only without the carpark. The failing of this plaza from a public design POV isn't just with the towers (IMO) but also a 1,200 space carpark, there is nothing pedestrian about having a 1,200 carpark next to a central railway station in the heart of a CBD; encouraging this kind of car dependency is what I would expect in LA, not any Australian capital city.Cryptic wrote: ↑Sat Jun 07, 2025 12:17 amWon't comment on any of the controversy about the Walker Corp stuff. But I just wanted to say I really do think the plaza has been done fairly well. Feels like it has purpose now and is activated a fair amount with different events. And outside of that it does not too badly at attracting people for their lunch break etc.
Yes this.Patrick_27 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 07, 2025 10:55 amBut none of it is organic thoroughfare and by that I mean, the reliance solely rests on sporting events and staged public events on the plaza which has limited capabilities compared to say Victoria Square; which reminds me of when Greater Union reopened on Hindley Street and poached Adelaide Film Festival from PalaceNova EastEnd as if that wa s going to bring in the regular punters. You're kidding yourselves if you believe that university students and government workers are going to spend $100+ per head at Station Road Wine Bar type venues. We can talk about the state of the former plaza before this development, but not a single person on here is arguing that something needed to be done with the space; it's more an argument of what should have been done with this space. It's still legally considered park-land and so I would expect a complete public use for the space. Me, personally? I wanted to see an expanded Festival Centre featuring a concert hall, recital hall and theatre round with a similar approach to Arts Centre in Melbourne whereby it's structurally (for the most part) underground with hospitality offerings on a laneway between Parliament House and the Festival Centre (similar to Market Square laneway behind the Hilton and Sir Samuel Way Building). It would involve some hefty public investment but it's then ours, the same government who planned this redevelopment were willing to invest heavily in the redevelopment of Adelaide Oval so I'm at a loss as to why they didn't believe that our city's premier Arts Centre didn't deserve the same sort of (overdue) TLC. In an ideal world, the ARS wouldn't house Adelaide Casino but instead public servants, which then makes up your daily foot-traffic to the area but even then, what I wanted for the area could have still been achieved with the inclusion of Festival Tower One, only without the carpark. The failing of this plaza from a public design POV isn't just with the towers (IMO) but also a 1,200 space carpark, there is nothing pedestrian about having a 1,200 carpark next to a central railway station in the heart of a CBD; encouraging this kind of car dependency is what I would expect in LA, not any Australian capital city.Cryptic wrote: ↑Sat Jun 07, 2025 12:17 amWon't comment on any of the controversy about the Walker Corp stuff. But I just wanted to say I really do think the plaza has been done fairly well. Feels like it has purpose now and is activated a fair amount with different events. And outside of that it does not too badly at attracting people for their lunch break etc.