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gnrc_louis wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:48 pm

Also, an underground CBD rail tunnel would cost billions, no government is going to seriously consider it until rail patronage increases and there's a public push for it. It's decades away at best.

SBD wrote:Does anyone have official statistics on what percentage of the metropolitan population works or studies in the CBD? What is the average commute distance for CBD workers?

I live and work in outer suburbs, so my perspective is probably skewed, I think I know more people who commute from or across the CBD to work in the suburbs than I know who live in the suburbs and commute to work in the city.

gnrc_louis wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:48 pm

Keep the Grange line, and do the West Lakes extension too. Enough rail has been closed over the years and buses are not an adequate substitute to encourage people to use more public transport - if anything they do the opposite. Any government serious about building a public transport system for the future should be focusing on light and heavy rail - not buses.

ChillyPhilly wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:01 pm

SBD wrote:Does anyone have official statistics on what percentage of the metropolitan population works or studies in the CBD? What is the average commute distance for CBD workers?

I live and work in outer suburbs, so my perspective is probably skewed, I think I know more people who commute from or across the CBD to work in the suburbs than I know who live in the suburbs and commute to work in the city.

This stat is from 2013-14, but at least then 15% of all jobs in Adelaide were in the CBD.

Norman wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:02 am

In the meantime, here are some rail projects that should be considered:
-CBD Underground Link
-Extension to Aldinga
-Extension to Roseworthy (with associated town masterplan) and Gawler East
-Electrification of Outer Harbor and Grange lines
-Northern Connector rail bypass and Salisbury North line conversion for suburban trains, using the third track between Adelaide and Salisbury for express services
-Tram CBD Loop

These are some easy proposals (except the CBD link) that could be part of early Infrastructure Australia submissions.

SRW wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:41 pm

gnrc_louis wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:48 pm

Also, an underground CBD rail tunnel would cost billions, no government is going to seriously consider it until rail patronage increases and there's a public push for it. It's decades away at best.

Electrification will help, but patronage will not significantly increase until it provides a more useful and efficient service, which can only be achieved by through-running trains under the CBD. We have to bite the bullet here: we need public transport to increase its share of the commuter burden. We don't even have to reinvent the wheel: Auckland provides a pretty good guide. It's a similarly sized city with a similar history of rail decline that only rebounded with significant investment. I'd argue we'd actually stand to boost ridership even more than they have given our network's greater reach and our employment/commuting patterns. IMO, after the north-south motorway, underground rail is the city's most urgent big project -- we should be aiming to have it complete by 2030 or, at the very latest, our bicentenary in 2036.

gnrc_louis wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:48 pm

ml69 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:15 am

Norman wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:02 am

In the meantime, here are some rail projects that should be considered:
-CBD Underground Link
-Extension to Aldinga
-Extension to Roseworthy (with associated town masterplan) and Gawler East
-Electrification of Outer Harbor and Grange lines
-Northern Connector rail bypass and Salisbury North line conversion for suburban trains, using the third track between Adelaide and Salisbury for express services
-Tram CBD Loop

These are some easy proposals (except the CBD link) that could be part of early Infrastructure Australia submissions.

I wouldn’t bother with line extensions to Aldinga, Roseworthy or Salisbury North yet. Not a priority. Let’s get our current lines up to standard first.

Outer Harbor electrification is a no-brainer.

Close the Grange line, and replace it with a line extension to West Lakes - double track to Albert Park, then widen West Lakes Blvd and put in one track down the median). Build a park n ride multi-storey car park at West Lakes. It’ll easily get 3-5 times the patronage of the Grange line.

Then tie together each of our 5 electrified lines (Seaford, Flinders, Gawler, Outer Harbor and West Lakes) with a CBD rail tunnel, with stops at current Adelaide station, Hindmarsh Square and Victoria Square.

This will offer huge efficiency and time savings for commuters working in parts of the CBD not immediately adjacent to the current railway station.

Keep the Grange line, and do the West Lakes extension too. Enough rail has been closed over the years and buses are not an adequate substitute to encourage people to use more public transport - if anything they do the opposite. Any government serious about building a public transport system for the future should be focusing on light and heavy rail - not buses.

Also, an underground CBD rail tunnel would cost billions, no government is going to seriously consider it until rail patronage increases and there's a public push for it. It's decades away at best.

SBD wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:29 pm

ChillyPhilly wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:01 pm

SBD wrote:Does anyone have official statistics on what percentage of the metropolitan population works or studies in the CBD? What is the average commute distance for CBD workers?

I live and work in outer suburbs, so my perspective is probably skewed, I think I know more people who commute from or across the CBD to work in the suburbs than I know who live in the suburbs and commute to work in the city.

This stat is from 2013-14, but at least then 15% of all jobs in Adelaide were in the CBD.

Adelaide public transport appears to be configured in a hub-and-spoke fashion that seems to be modelled on the expectation that 85% of us work in the CBD, rather than the expectation that 85% of us do not. Suburban life is dominated by car transport because the public transport is not suited to 85% of us. Public transport doesn't serve people who live and work in the suburbs because most of us have cars.

A development plan amendment which could pave the way for a major redevelopment of the Gawler Central railway precinct has been cancelled, but new planning laws could see it proceed anyway

Eurostar wrote: ↑

Sat May 02, 2020 11:15 am

From the Bunyip:

A development plan amendment which could pave the way for a major redevelopment of the Gawler Central railway precinct has been cancelled, but new planning laws could see it proceed anyway

1NEEDS2POST wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:31 pm

The number one problem with trains in Adelaide is low frequency. Apart from the Gawler and Seaford lines, outside of peak hour, the rail network is poor because of the low frequency.