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Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:49 pm
by monotonehell
Mawen wrote:... I like the uniqueness of Adelaide, but, I think what I and others are saying (forgive me for being wrong) is to keep that uniqueness but to make Adelaide a more practical, functional and attractive city.
I think building huge skyscrapers is not necessarily the answer; but building unique - functional - practical and sustainable buildings, venues and places unlike the temporary buildings for events like Clipsal and the Beach Volleyball are NOT the answer!
Adelaide needs that extra spark which Brissy and Perth have achieved with their vision of building a modern, practical and functional city.
I agree with this sentiment. The answer is not to rush to build a load of phallic erections. Every major city around the World has done that and in some cases it defines them, but in most cases it just makes them all look the same.
If we want Adelaide to be unique and attractive we need to think about and coordinate the construction of not only tall buildings, but those in combination with functional, practical and attractive buildings, so they all work together as a whole. That's a big ask, but most architects are designers and understand the concepts of harmony and contrast between structures.
Adelaide has a unique opportunity, we weren't visited by the Viagra fairy too often back in the '70-90s and as a result we have an unimposing skyline. Remember, less is more. More is crass.
Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:39 pm
by Omicron
Jumping on the bandwagon a bit here, I'm not a fan of the giant vibrator buildings, either. Not elegant, not dramatic - just.....odd.
Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:35 pm
by Mants
crawf wrote:And to say Adelaide has no real vision is just ridiculous as you saying we are in trouble of being overtaken by a city with just 100,000 people! (Darwin). What about Holdfast Shores?, City Central? (we still haven't seen the exact plans yet), The Precinct?, 20-22 Currie St, Tramline extension?, plans for 10-20,000 new homes in the city etc...
you have a nasty habit of misreading my posts to suit your own argument.
i said "Adelaide has no real vision or no large scale planning"
by international or even national standards, a 1.2km tramline or a 120m building are not really visionary. the tramline, although successful, is far too insignificant to call "visionary". after all, it doesn't even eclipse what we used to have 50years ago by a long shot!
i dont think i ever said darwin would overtake adelaide, i just inferred that darwin was likely to grow faster than hobart or canberra. darwin as a city demands high-rise living, whereas South Australian's prefer to have their own house, backyard, etc.
darwin has two buildings over 90m being constructed as we speak, compared to none in adelaide.
im not being negative, i just don't think we should settle for second best.
Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:36 pm
by Mants
and just for the record, im sure if this was proposed in Adelaide, you'd definitely be singing a different song.
Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:23 pm
by crawf
Mants wrote:crawf wrote:And to say Adelaide has no real vision is just ridiculous as you saying we are in trouble of being overtaken by a city with just 100,000 people! (Darwin). What about Holdfast Shores?, City Central? (we still haven't seen the exact plans yet), The Precinct?, 20-22 Currie St, Tramline extension?, plans for 10-20,000 new homes in the city etc...
you have a nasty habit of misreading my posts to suit your own argument.
i said "Adelaide has no real vision or no large scale planning"
by international or even national standards, a 1.2km tramline or a 120m building are not really visionary. the tramline, although successful, is far too insignificant to call "visionary". after all, it doesn't even eclipse what we used to have 50years ago by a long shot!
While the $31m tramline extension is a small project however is a visionary project because it has now opened up the city west end and southern kws for development. 20-22 Currie St is a very visionary and international design eclipses alot of what is currently being built in not just Adelaide but Australia.
i dont think i ever said darwin would overtake adelaide, i just inferred that darwin was likely to grow faster than hobart or canberra. darwin as a city demands high-rise living, whereas South Australian's prefer to have their own house, backyard, etc.
Well whatever you said, none of the cities (Darwin, Hobart, Canberra, Gold Coast etc...) are a threat to Adelaide
darwin has two buildings over 90m being constructed as we speak, compared to none in adelaide.
im not being negative, i just don't think we should settle for second best.
Darwin is going through a major boom, we are only starting to. And you know very well there is a strong demand for inner city living in Adelaide.
and just for the record, im sure if this was proposed in Adelaide, you'd definitely be singing a different song.
What do you mean, I've already said the plan is outstanding. And no I wouldn't, we don't even have a building over 150m in the CBD let alone over 250m!. I've already stated what I want too happen on the torrens - low/mid rise apartments with cafes, restaurants, shops and bars.
However Adelaide and Perth have a bad history of grand plans of being dumbed down or never happening.
Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:54 am
by toby1
awesome - that looks fantastic and will rival any harbour I have ever seen in the world. Of course there are bound to be issues and hiccups along the way, but such a grand plan is not-so-subtle hint to the rest of this country. onya Perth - my second favourite city
Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:22 pm
by Edgar
toby1 wrote:awesome - that looks fantastic and will rival any harbour I have ever seen in the world. Of course there are bound to be issues and hiccups along the way, but such a grand plan is not-so-subtle hint to the rest of this country. onya Perth - my second favourite city
I must applaud Perth as the second Melbourne. Very aggressive in ways to attract attention from overseas, and they would become the second Melbourne in the future and I have no doubts about that.
But heck, I do not want another Melbourne
However, I must stress that credits to them over at Perth for being able to come aggressive and not being daunted by anti-development NIMBYs which resulted in a scaled down developments.
Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:22 pm
by Edgar
Edgar wrote:toby1 wrote:awesome - that looks fantastic and will rival any harbour I have ever seen in the world. Of course there are bound to be issues and hiccups along the way, but such a grand plan is not-so-subtle hint to the rest of this country. onya Perth - my second favourite city
I must applaud Perth as the second Melbourne. Very aggressive in ways to attract attention from overseas, and they would become the second Melbourne in the future and I have no doubts about that.
But heck, I do not want another Melbourne
However, I must stress that credits to them over at Perth for being able to come aggressive and not being daunted by anti-development NIMBYs which would often resulted in scaled down developments.
Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:46 pm
by adam73837
Hippodamus wrote: does this scream anything different to anyone apart from being something totally not like something that would be proposed in Adelaide??? Just come to Dubai my friends and this is just another development in some suburb.. nationally this may be impressive, but on an international scale it ranks close to zero.
If this ranks low on an International scale, then what must the International scale think of us
(especially after we want to build and 'altitiude' apartment tower which we name appropriately seeing as it is
so tall and impressive
).
Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:33 pm
by frank1
adam73837 wrote:Hippodamus wrote: does this scream anything different to anyone apart from being something totally not like something that would be proposed in Adelaide??? Just come to Dubai my friends and this is just another development in some suburb.. nationally this may be impressive, but on an international scale it ranks close to zero.
If this ranks low on an International scale, then what must the International scale think of us
(especially after we want to build and 'altitiude' apartment tower which we name appropriately seeing as it is
so tall and impressive
).
Adelaide would not even register on their charts. I bet you most international countries have never heard of Adelaide. When people think of Australia, they just think of Sydney or possibly Melbourne. Adelaide needs some unique projects that say 'that's Adelaide' on an international scale like the harbor bridge or opera house in Sydney. I hate to say it, but not even our exiting currie street tower is nationally or internationally impressive (just locally
)
Hopefully our states boom will cause some creative thinking and Adelaide will score some iconic projects.
Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:56 pm
by Wayno
frank1 wrote:adam73837 wrote:Hippodamus wrote: does this scream anything different to anyone apart from being something totally not like something that would be proposed in Adelaide??? Just come to Dubai my friends and this is just another development in some suburb.. nationally this may be impressive, but on an international scale it ranks close to zero.
If this ranks low on an International scale, then what must the International scale think of us
(especially after we want to build and 'altitiude' apartment tower which we name appropriately seeing as it is
so tall and impressive
).
Adelaide would not even register on their charts. I bet you most international countries have never heard of Adelaide. When people think of Australia, they just think of Sydney or possibly Melbourne. Adelaide needs some unique projects that say 'that's Adelaide' on an international scale like the harbor bridge or opera house in Sydney. I hate to say it, but not even our exiting currie street tower is nationally or internationally impressive (just locally
)
Hopefully our states boom will cause some creative thinking and Adelaide will score some iconic projects.
You are right Frank1. I regularly visit asian countries for work and when I say i'm from Adelaide they have no idea where we are at all...and it would have to be a
BIG iconic project for us to become immediately recognisable!
Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:27 pm
by monotonehell
Wayno wrote:You are right Frank1. I regularly visit asian countries for work and when I say i'm from Adelaide they have no idea where we are at all...and it would have to be a BIG iconic project for us to become immediately recognisable!
And even then just because we have something BIG and iconic, most people still wouldn't know about us. We'd need to host a lot of internationally televised events to get recognition. Back when we had the F1 Grand Prix Adelaide started to be known around the World. But when we lost that we moved back into the obscure.
Face it, Adelaide is never going to get the recognition of New York, London, Sydney and etc. unless something incredible happens here.
Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:46 am
by Brando
If i met an American and he/she said they were from St Louis,i know nothing about the place or it's location in the US, but i would know this Iconic Landmark that has put it's name on the map...
Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:36 am
by omada
Frank1 said:Adelaide would not even register on their charts. I bet you most international countries have never heard of Adelaide.
Don't be so hard on Adelaide, I was recently in Vietnam and Laos, and you'd be surprised at how many people know about our fair town ..(not exactly sure how MUCH they know however)...
Re: Perth's Waterfront Redevelopment
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:37 am
by Cruise
Brando wrote:If i met an American and he/she
The American you met was a he/she? wierd