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TorrensSA wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:01 pm

The Harrison Road reserve is really noticeable in the first picture (row of trees on the left side opposite Coopers Brewery), does anybody know the history of why Harrison Road wasn't built (or was it unbuilt) it would have been very useful with the drama that is the closing of Pym Street and bus routes.

rev wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:52 pm

TorrensSA wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:01 pm

The Harrison Road reserve is really noticeable in the first picture (row of trees on the left side opposite Coopers Brewery), does anybody know the history of why Harrison Road wasn't built (or was it unbuilt) it would have been very useful with the drama that is the closing of Pym Street and bus routes.

No idea. But I really think not putting Pym st under the motorway is a mistake. On T2T Hawker streets access to South Road was maintained with a bridge over the trench. Cutting off Pym st will just force more cars into nearby side streets and increase congestion at the Regency Rd/South Rd intersection. Something like the Rosseta street underpass surely wouldn't have been that difficult to include.

rev wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:52 pm

No idea. But I really think not putting Pym st under the motorway is a mistake. On T2T Hawker streets access to South Road was maintained with a bridge over the trench. Cutting off Pym st will just force more cars into nearby side streets and increase congestion at the Regency Rd/South Rd intersection. Something like the Rosseta street underpass surely wouldn't have been that difficult to include.

SouthAussie94 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:15 pm

Sutton and Mimosa had a bridge built across the Motorway at Darlington and they are much less significant thoroughfares than Pym St is. Does seem like a very short sighted decision

Saltwater wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:51 am

I made the mistake of heading north from Brickworks towards Regency Road on the NSM this morning. What an [expletive] disaster. Its like they've gone out of their way to be as disruptive as possible with the construction, with multiple mergers into single lane heading north creating huge delays, all so that some minor earthworks can be completed off to the side of the road. Traffic arrangements even prior to works commencing were never great with two lanes passing through, you'd hope as a minimum they could maintain that at all times through the construction. Especially given they've mostly wiped out homes and businesses on both sides so have around 100m to work with.

Meanwhile, for the remaining section there was a lot of chatter about a cut & cover tunnel option last week. It looks like someone's requested a quote on a TBM hire for a few years and then freaked out. I can see the argument in avoiding the sunken costs of going with a TBM, but still don't see how they get cut & cover tunnels through Thebarton & Mile End without wiping out one and probably both rows of houses and businesses along South Road. Unless its double-stacked, if that's even an option?

Saltwater wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:51 am

I made the mistake of heading north from Brickworks towards Regency Road on the NSM this morning. What an [expletive] disaster. Its like they've gone out of their way to be as disruptive as possible with the construction, with multiple mergers into single lane heading north creating huge delays, all so that some minor earthworks can be completed off to the side of the road. Traffic arrangements even prior to works commencing were never great with two lanes passing through, you'd hope as a minimum they could maintain that at all times through the construction. Especially given they've mostly wiped out homes and businesses on both sides so have around 100m to work with.

Meanwhile, for the remaining section there was a lot of chatter about a cut & cover tunnel option last week. It looks like someone's requested a quote on a TBM hire for a few years and then freaked out. I can see the argument in avoiding the sunken costs of going with a TBM, but still don't see how they get cut & cover tunnels through Thebarton & Mile End without wiping out one and probably both rows of houses and businesses along South Road. Unless its double-stacked, if that's even an option?

claybro wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:00 am

Saltwater wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:51 am

I made the mistake of heading north from Brickworks towards Regency Road on the NSM this morning. What an [expletive] disaster. Its like they've gone out of their way to be as disruptive as possible with the construction, with multiple mergers into single lane heading north creating huge delays, all so that some minor earthworks can be completed off to the side of the road. Traffic arrangements even prior to works commencing were never great with two lanes passing through, you'd hope as a minimum they could maintain that at all times through the construction. Especially given they've mostly wiped out homes and businesses on both sides so have around 100m to work with.

Meanwhile, for the remaining section there was a lot of chatter about a cut & cover tunnel option last week. It looks like someone's requested a quote on a TBM hire for a few years and then freaked out. I can see the argument in avoiding the sunken costs of going with a TBM, but still don't see how they get cut & cover tunnels through Thebarton & Mile End without wiping out one and probably both rows of houses and businesses along South Road. Unless its double-stacked, if that's even an option?

As per the previous government proposal, Thebarton/Mile end was to be a tunnel, the rest a trench and/or elevated. All of these have now been previously practiced successfully in SA. Only the tunnel construction will vary from the Heysen Tunnel method. It is no surprise we are back at square one 3 years later.

claybro wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:09 pm

rev wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:52 pm

TorrensSA wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:01 pm

The Harrison Road reserve is really noticeable in the first picture (row of trees on the left side opposite Coopers Brewery), does anybody know the history of why Harrison Road wasn't built (or was it unbuilt) it would have been very useful with the drama that is the closing of Pym Street and bus routes.

No idea. But I really think not putting Pym st under the motorway is a mistake. On T2T Hawker streets access to South Road was maintained with a bridge over the trench. Cutting off Pym st will just force more cars into nearby side streets and increase congestion at the Regency Rd/South Rd intersection. Something like the Rosseta street underpass surely wouldn't have been that difficult to include.

Never noticed the Harrison Road reserve before, although always wondered why there is scrub there adjacent to Regency Road-but never gave it much thought, and didn't realize it was a proper road reserve. IS it some sort of drainage easement?

Re Pym street. have to agree with this Rev, and it makes a mockery of the gov even considering a 10km long multi billion dollar tunnel (as if) when they wont even cough up the relatively small amount to assist local traffic flow east and west of the Motorway at that point.

Heavy construction on South Rd fix unlikely to start until 2024, but hundreds of early jobs

Industry figures have been told that heavy construction on the long-awaited upgrades to the final stretches of the South Road freeway are unlikely to start until late in 2024.

A construction sector industry briefing published by the Department of Infrastructure and Transport, dated August 4, features a timeline for the North-South Corridor project and shows work expected this year on a business case as well as approvals and early enabling work.

But formal construction is not slated until after mid- 2024. The Government says the early works, planned between this year and 2024, will employ hundreds of people.

The State Government is yet to decide if it will opt for a twin tunnel to complete the works in built-up areas around Anzac Highway, or go for road widening at the surface.

Opposition Leader Peter Malinauskas said that documents revealed yet another delay on the infrastructure project, when SA desperately needed to stimulate activity.

“This delay and indecision from Premier Steven Marshall on South Road is not just costing us a corridor that is an important piece of infrastructure, but jobs when we need it most,” he said.

“They have done nothing (since being elected).

“All of the projects that were announced and funded under Labor are now either finished, or coming to an end and not being replaced”.

Latest ABS figures show SA has added 20,000 jobs in the past two months as coronavirus restrictions have begun to lift. But there are still 70,900 South Australians who want a job and can’t find one, 19,800 more people than in January.

Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe and Prime Minister Scott Morrison on Friday urged state governments to spend much more on infrastructure to accelerate the economic recovery.

Mr Marshall was the first state leader to announce a local stimulus package, and has committed about $1 billion. However, he has been criticised by the Opposition for spending less than other states when measured as a proportion of the local economy.

Transport and Infrastructure Minister Corey Wingard said all timelines provided on South Road had been indicative and it was important to get the design and build right.

“We can’t and won’t rush a decision of this magnitude which will deliver one of the biggest job creating projects in the state’s history,” he said.

Columbo wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:57 pm

As a local, I understand why that have done what they have done (closing East - West) but it has a massive impact on residents on either side of South Rd, heard that the cost was prohibitive for anything to be done with Pym St corner because services were undergrounded there as part of the T2T project and these would have needed to have been redone.

Eurostar wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:36 am

I wouldnt want to give too much away so close to a State Election neither, knowing that SA Liberals will just steal it and take credit for it.