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claybro wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2024 10:00 am

No sure that the right turn was/ is daft, given that the Botanic extension was envisaged as the beginning of extensions to the Eastern suburbs, and not having the right turn does limit the options for that extension even now. The cost to alter the intersection in money and disruption now would far outweigh the issues when the extension was first built.

for future extensions and replacement trams- we really should try to do a deal with the Melbourne manufacturer to tack on to any Melbourne orders

claybro wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2024 10:00 am

rubberman wrote: ↑

Thu May 30, 2024 4:09 pm

whatstheirnamesmom wrote: ↑

Thu May 30, 2024 2:20 pm

Why would the government need to spend anything on a right turn? As far as I see it, a right turn onto North Terrace wouldn't enable any worthwhile new services. In the first generation days, trams only moved E-S and S-E through the intersection when heading to/from Hackney Depot, and then also for a few years when revenue service trams began using it once Payneham/Paradise and Fullarton/Springfield trams were through-routed with each other.

Any movements that a right turn at North Terrace would enable could be enabled elsewhere on an expanded network, especially with a city loop.




I get what you're saying, but a single truck tram would be an Adelaide Type A, B, C or G. The Citadis are rigid truck trams, however, so yes they do grind more than the Flexity trucks. The grinding from the Citadis aren't causing issues to the degree that their replacement is warranted at this stage. If network expansion occurs and any similar or tighter curves are required, then perhaps it would be worthwhile to consider. Replacement would ultimately depend on a lot of factors beyond just curve grinding alone – I would consider it very unlikely they will face early disposal.

I agree that the right turn is daft. I was only referring to it in the context that that was one of the Adelink options.

The Citadis is effectively a couple of single truck trams like the Bib and Bub, with fancy joints between the sections. The type is likely better known by the "two rooms and a bath" descriptor from a patent originally taken out in 1892. They had a brief surge of popularity almost 100 years ago until revived by the likes of Alstom, and will probably die out for the same reasons they died out a century ago. They're cheaper to build, but are murder for track, and slower on open ballast than trams with swivelling trucks.

No sure that the right turn was/ is daft, given that the Botanic extension was envisaged as the beginning of extensions to the Eastern suburbs, and not having the right turn does limit the options for that extension even now. The cost to alter the intersection in money and disruption now would far outweigh the issues when the extension was first built. ( why are things deemed insurmountable now that were done with ease 120 years ago?) Any way- with regard to the Citadis- at the time it was a cost effective quick option for additional trams, but for future extensions and replacement trams- we really should try to do a deal with the Melbourne manufacturer to tack on to any Melbourne orders, if they can even keep up with their own requirements. Perhaps the federal government would be more inclined to input, if we guaranteed more "made in Australia" components, instead of ordering from Europe. All of this though- would require ongoing planning and momentum for the system -the lack of which causes most of the issues SA encounters.

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Morphett Road, Anzac Hwy tram overpass plan for Morphettville

A notorious level crossing in Morphettville will be replaced with a tram overpass in a $200m joint-funded project designed to improve road safety.


An artist impression of the tram overpass at Morphett Road near Anzac Hwy. Picture: Supplied

Plans for the overpass, with funding evenly split between the federal and state governments, were released on Tuesday to construct a tram overpass at the Morphett Rd level crossing near Anzac Hwy.

The overpass aims to cut accidents and reduce commuter delays during peak times for the more than 25,600 motorists who use the road.

There were 106 crashes and 40 injuries recorded at the crossing between 2019 and 2023.

The overpass will be built by the Tram Grade Separation Projects Alliance – including McConnell Dowell, CPB Contractors, Arup, Mott MacDonald and sub-Alliance partner Aurecon and the Transport Department.

During construction, the Glenelg tram line will shut for about six months in the second half of 2025, with the overpass to be built in that time frame on the existing corridor.


Traffic at intersection of Morphett Road and Anzac Hwy before tram overpass. Picture: Supplied

Tram services will remain operational between the Entertainment Centre and Botanic Gardens during construction while substitute buses will operate between Glenelg and South Terrace.

Major construction is slated to start late this year.

Federal Infrastructure Minister Catherine King said removing the Morphett Rd level crossing would improve safety for all road users.

“The Albanese Government investment in this project will ensure commuters can benefit from safer, faster trips along these crucial traffic links for years to come,” she said.

“This project demonstrates our government’s commitment to supporting more efficient, resilient and integrated traffic and transport solutions for South Australians.”

The $200m project is part of the wider initiative between the state and federal governments to improve road safety, and follows the $400m equal funding commitment to remove the tram level crossings at Marion and Cross roads in Plympton.

State Infrastructure and Transport Minister Tom Koutsantonis said the projects would make a “huge difference”.

“The projects will also provide an important boost to the South Australian economy, supporting approximately 1115 full-time-equivalent jobs per year over the construction period,” he said.


The proposed tram overpass. Picture: Supplied


The proposed tram overpass. Picture: Supplied

The Alliance would also rebuild the South Road Tram Overpass at Glandore for the River Torrens to Darlington lowered motorway.

State MPs Sarah Andrews and Jayne Stinson, whose electorates are within the project area, welcomed what they described as “congestion busters”.

Federal MP Louise Miller-Frost said her Boothy constituents identified congestion issues with her “constantly”, and welcomed the announcement.

Saltwater wrote:Great to see some strategy in getting all these projects done at the same time.

Love how this nugget has just been buried, let's hope nobody sees it until later and starts asking questions about who approved the original design... "The Alliance would also rebuild the South Road Tram Overpass at Glandore for the River Torrens to Darlington lowered motorway."