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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:15 am
by fishinajar
Waewick wrote:
Torrens_5022 wrote:Some people seem very confused on bus lanes. A bus lane can be used by public buses, taxi's and emergency service vehicles. A bus only lane is different http://mylicence.sa.gov.au/road-rules/t ... book/lanes
Taxi's have the right to use a bus lane and seriously this link should not have obahn track - signs about use of lane and penalties and multiple cameras will stop people and is a justified source of revenue. No tracks means an ambulance, fire truck etc can use it too.
this may seem like a stupid question.
but if we are keeping the O-bahn, why not extend it...and put the guides on our emergency services vechiles? I mean how much faster would it be for an ambo to go to the NE on the O-bahn?
I don't think this would work.

Flexibility of egress and ingress would be a big issue.
The guide pack itself would add a lot of weight to the vehicle. Also I think fire engines would be a bit heavier than buses, track might not handle it.

Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:57 am
by rev
fishinajar wrote:
Waewick wrote:
Torrens_5022 wrote:Some people seem very confused on bus lanes. A bus lane can be used by public buses, taxi's and emergency service vehicles. A bus only lane is different http://mylicence.sa.gov.au/road-rules/t ... book/lanes
Taxi's have the right to use a bus lane and seriously this link should not have obahn track - signs about use of lane and penalties and multiple cameras will stop people and is a justified source of revenue. No tracks means an ambulance, fire truck etc can use it too.
this may seem like a stupid question.
but if we are keeping the O-bahn, why not extend it...and put the guides on our emergency services vechiles? I mean how much faster would it be for an ambo to go to the NE on the O-bahn?
I don't think this would work.

Flexibility of egress and ingress would be a big issue.
The guide pack itself would add a lot of weight to the vehicle. Also I think fire engines would be a bit heavier than buses, track might not handle it.
Not sure what the speed restrictions are on ambulances and MFS appliances when their off to an emergency/job. What's the speed limit on the obahn for buses?
What would happen when an ambulance catches up to a bus? On the roads vehicles have to move out of the way(if possible/safe) for an emergency vehicle with lights/and or sirens on. That clears up the road ahead for them. On the obahn this obviously wouldn't be possible since it's a single track in each direction. Emergency vehicles also have the option of crossing over the median strip to get around a traffic bottleneck when it's a serious emergency.

In any case I don't think a fire engine from the city station will be rushing off to fight a fire in the NE Suburbs unless it's a massive fire emergency and they need more appliances. There's fire stations and ambulance stations dotted around the suburbs, that's why they get there quickly and not half an hour or more later.

Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:07 pm
by rev
I've come across something rather disturbing but hilarious at the same time.
Courtesy of the self centered Parklands Preservation Association.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/adel_park ... otostream/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/adel_park ... 6764553377

Apparently we are getting a highway in the east end. This is the sort of militant stupidity progress faces in Adelaide.

Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:24 pm
by Brucetiki
rev wrote:I've come across something rather disturbing but hilarious at the same time.
Courtesy of the self centered Parklands Preservation Association.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/adel_park ... otostream/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/adel_park ... 6764553377

Apparently we are getting a highway in the east end. This is the sort of militant stupidity progress faces in Adelaide.
Have not laughed that hard in ages.

Even in those pictures the space they're highlighting looks relatively small.

I think they've shot themselves in the foot with some of those pictures.

Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:46 pm
by Llessur2002
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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:10 pm
by Wayno
you can read the APPAs full submission here: http://www.adelaide-parklands.org/pdfs/ ... 0FINAL.pdf

Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:25 pm
by rev
Wayno wrote:you can read the APPAs full submission here: http://www.adelaide-parklands.org/pdfs/ ... 0FINAL.pdf
:lol:
efforts to link return of 3,000m2 of Park Lands to new alienation of Park Lands. The
land proposed for return could be returned to Park Lands regardless of whether the
O-Bahn City Access Project goes ahead or not
In the dot point about that one, they claim they agree with the government on increasing PT usage.
They then say that Rundle Rd between Rundle and Rymil Parks should be turned into park lands anyway. I guess the buses and trams and trains will all get along by magic.
APPA believes the Government's proposal is over-reaching, in that instead of just
prioritising O-Bahn buses, the Government wants to prioritise all vehicular traffic with a
ground-level highway that would cut a broad swathe through one of the most popular parts
of Adelaide's National Heritage-listed Park Lands.
Highway? Does anyone else see a proposal for a highway?
They are complaining that part of the parklands will be turned into a "highway". But earlier they advocate turning existing roads into parklands as well.
So not only will PT get around by magic, I guess we will all have to go out and by Persian rugs and hope they are of the magical flying kind that these people clearly use as a mode of transport for them selves.
H.
the Park Lands are included on State, National and World Heritage lists.
World heritage and national heritage listing? :hilarious:

They are complaining that just over a month for the public to bitch and moan is too short a time. Sorry, but imo 36 days is long enough for fringe groups to have their pointless, narrow minded, self centered say on why progress shouldn't occur.
Despite the lack of any identified statutory approval to date, geo-technical testing
commenced soon afterwards - as observed on 24 March:
DPTI therefore has left little doubt that public feedback appears irrelevant to the
Government's prior decision to proceed.
They have a picture of a drilling rig taking soil samples in the parklands.
Apparently that's a sign that the government doesn't care about public consultation.
While it could be a sign that the project is going ahead, it could also be an indication that preparation is taking place in order to allow the project to commence should it be given final approval(or whatever the process is).
Soil testing does not mean that the bulldozers are about to move in like this fringe group tries to imply.
Several APPA members have been unable to make submissions to DPTI on this proposal.
There have been persistent recent reports of attempts to make submissions, which have
been met with this error message:
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do not repeat the request without modifications.
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2015-03-23 05:52:35
The persistence of this problem during the brief consultation window casts further doubt on
the nature of the Government's "consultation"
I had a good chuckle at this bit.
They would have us believe that the government is filtering out their individual submissions.
I'm sure there's unmarked vans parked in their streets as well for days on end with no sign of activity and black helicopters flying over their houses late at night as well. Maybe they are being followed on a daily basis by "government agent" type looking men? :hilarious:
4.4
Misleading material in Consultation
Materials distributed from 25 February have given a false impression to the public about the
nature of the proposed roadway through Rymill Park.
This is where I stopped reading.
Accusing others of providing false and misleading information, when you your self are guilty of that....wow.

:lol:

Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:08 pm
by Patrick_27
https://www.facebook.com/saverymillpark

They've now also got a Facebook Page with 600 Likes. I just ripped them about their content which is all falsefied and people commenting on their wall saying further misleading rubbish. If the groups opposing this proposal win like they did with theVictoria Park grandstand, I will actually consider leaving Adelaide permanently - these kinds of groups are poisonous.

Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:54 pm
by Wayno
rev wrote:So not only will PT get around by magic, I guess we will all have to go out and by Persian rugs and hope they are of the magical flying kind that these people clearly use as a mode of transport for them selves.
Ok this made me laugh out loud :applause:

APPA; Stupid is as stupid does...

Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:13 pm
by crawf
Taken from their Facebook page, ACC meeting.

Look at all the young folk
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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:04 pm
by Patrick_27
crawf wrote:Taken from their Facebook page, ACC meeting.

Look at all the young folk
Image
Dear God... Look at them all!

Similarly a protest in the mall had ten or so oldies holding signs and talking to the media. How is it that the media in this city can't have a reporter to cover on real issues but can spare a reporter to rock up to these stupid protests?

Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:15 pm
by The Scooter Guy
As usual, this is going to take two years to build!
Will commence on the second half of 2015 and should be finished on the second half of 2017.

Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:05 pm
by ChillyPhilly
Patrick_27 wrote:
crawf wrote:Taken from their Facebook page, ACC meeting.

Look at all the young folk
Image
Dear God... Look at them all!

Similarly a protest in the mall had ten or so oldies holding signs and talking to the media. How is it that the media in this city can't have a reporter to cover on real issues but can spare a reporter to rock up to these stupid protests?
Old, Anglo-Saxon, conservative.

Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 8:25 am
by [Shuz]
Was an article in the paper a couple days ago from Theo Maras calling for the O-Bahn extension to be scrapped and money redirected into affordable housing in the city.

Public opinion on this one seems to be changing quickly - more people are realising it has little tangible benefit to anyone other than bus commuters from the North East, and comes at a very expensive cost considering other budget and infrastructure priorities at the moment.

Theo rightly pointed out it was a blatant vote-grabbing project, which is debatable, but in my view - probably solely responsible for handing Labor victory at the March 2014 election.

I wouldn't be surprised if this one gets shelved or re-prioritised , in favour of the EastLink tram proposal, which in part has been tied into this - considering the realignment of Rundle Road and those associated infrastructure works. They could save face that way.

Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:21 am
by rubberman
Hm, inner city NIMBYs advocating inner city gentrification aimed at increasing the value of inner city housing. Who'd a thunk it? :banana: