[DEF] AAMI Stadium Upgrade | $100m | 52,000

[Paulns]

Adam73873, you have written the same thing for all 33 pages of this thread. We do not need to read the same arguement over and over again. I support a city stadium as much as you do, however can you please refrain from posting this same arguement over and over again.

I agree with Adam73873 regardless.. My thoughts exactly!

[Cruise]

I like the assoicated buildings around it, but not the fact they are keeping the ugly southern stand coporate boxes.

Anyway, go watch is:

http://www.sanfl.com.au/getthefacts/virtual_tour.html

I lol'ed at the boundary line in the video, it makes it look like VFL park's!!!

[peas_and_corn]

What are all those buildings near football park for?

[ricecrackers]

What are all those buildings near football park for?

to make it look like its actually near something

[Cruise]

What are all those buildings near football park for?

I believe one on one side you have a community centre and the other new SANFL admin faclities

[Cruise]

What are all those buildings near football park for?

to make it look like its actually near something

In case you never relised, there is a 750,000 square foot shopping centre across the road :wank:

[rev]

Oh, is that what that is?

But seriously, Westfield WL is hardly an attraction. It's just another suburban shopping center.
Now, a stadium around the corner from Rundle Mall, Rundle Street, Hindley Street, Gouger Street, and not to far from The Parade and O Connel st...mmhhmm.

[ghs]

Those buildings in the virtual tour seemed strange to me as well. They are clearly out of
place. In the future there's likely to be more apartment building go up near the lake,
but I can't see any going up right next to the stadium !

[rev]

Perhaps a hotel, similar in idea to the stadium/hotel suggestion by Adelaide United?
Or perhaps commercial property? Maybe the SANFL plan on paying for the upgrade partly through leasing office space?

[ricecrackers]

What are all those buildings near football park for?

to make it look like its actually near something

In case you never relised, there is a 750,000 square foot shopping centre across the road :wank:

great, i cant wait to go there someday :wank:

[adam73837]

At least the SANFL's proposals look decent (compared with what we have now, it is clearly an improvement) however seriously, HOW is all this going to be done within a budget of around $100m?

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It has also been noted several times that NOTHING can change its absolutely embrassingly RIDICULOUS location (yes I KNOW I've said it before.)
I mean really, if the seating reconfigurations and revamp of most of the surrounding infrastructure is going to cost around $100m (according to the SANFL), what's the hold-up in building an entirely new stadium in the city for both football and soccer?! According to the SANFL's prices structure, it shouldn't cost any more than around $500m to build a new multi-purpose stadium in the city! Don't ANYONE tell me that there isn't any fear within the SANFL regarding soccer. (If its not because of that reason, it is because they are being outright selfish and stubborn.)
While the new design will offer very good views for the people in the eastern and western grandstands and the corporate boxes, the people in the current Northern Grandstand and lower level of seating will have the same ridiculous view (which show no signs of being redeveloped -not that I was expecting them to do so within the next few years, but seriously, if they want AAMI to be a world-class stadium, all or most of the viewers should have brilliant views and it seems to me that the lower level and Northern Grandstand make up a significantly larger number of seating compared to that of the Eastern and Western Grandstands -I stand to be corrected.)

[Cruise]

The reason the SANFL is being stubborn is because every dime they collect in revenue goes to them.

But seeing as you find that hard to understand i think you are being the stubborn one, not the SANFL.

[Matt]

The whole 'stadium debate' is a load of bollocks and I'm over it.
The SANFL aren't going to budge on their position and risk losing control of their major cash-cow, the AFC are already investing in new facilities there (that are under construction), the AFL have insisted that football is staying at AAMI, and the State Government are refusing to even (publicly) investigate the possibility of a new stadium, despite the overwhelming public interest.

If they want to throw more money at Jurassic Park - go right ahead - but I've ditched my Crows membership and will use the money saved on a couple of Melbourne trips instead where I can actually enjoy the experience rather than dread it.

The Melbourne football public enjoy:
- great public transport
- great atmosphere
- great facilities (MCG, Telstra Dome)
- the opportunity to have a meal or drinks before and after the game with endless choices of venue
- the sense of 'event' and the excitement of being in a city awash with supporters on match day

The Adelaide football public has NONE of these.

The Crows consistently sell out matches - AAMI holds just over 50,000, yet crowd figures are usually less than 40,000 - so who and where are the other 10-15k who don't rock up, despite having paid for their tickets?

I'd bet that a fair proportion would be season-ticket holders like myself, that often cannot be bothered with the ordeals associated with that arsehole of a venue.

[adam73837]

Here's an article by Lainie Anderson from yesterday's Sunday Mail regarding Media Mike's comments in... Saturday's paper I believe it was.

Just ask us if we want a stadium

PREMIER Mike Rann wants a referendum on the Upper House to coincide with the March 2010 state poll.

I want a referendum on an inner-city stadium. Mr Rann says he won't divert money from water, hospitals and policing to pay for a stadium.
I say adequate water, hospitals and policing are essential services that should be the absolute minimum provided by any government.

Mr Rann says he's not opposed to a stadium and would say, "You beauty" if a private investor stumped up the cash.

I say it's time, then, for Mr Rann to act like Mr T in those Snickers ads and "get some nuts".

Of course water, health, education and policing are key issues for any government. What we need above and beyond those things is visionary leadership – investment in projects that will grow the economy and boost the state's psyche.

I hate to keep harping on about Jeff Kennett and Victoria, but the bloke invested billions in sporting and arts infrastructure back in the 1990s – and look at Melbourne now. Last year it was named a UNESCO City of Literature.

If we can't afford a multi-sports stadium today, let's have a mature debate about how we make it happen tomorrow.

Let's look at how other cities have raised capital for projects, and consider ideas like special state-run lotteries or mass small investment by individuals, families and private enterprise.

And how about demolishing some of our many smaller stadiums to raise additional capital from land sales, with the aim of creating a single, profitable home for our teams in national competitions for sports, including netball, basketball, soccer and the AFL?

Add to that $100 million Kevin Foley has promised in future budgets for AAMI Stadium, plus the extra tens of millions we'd save in axing the proposed tram line out to West Lakes, and we're well on the way to finding the funds.

And here's another thing. Work on the new Marjorie Jackson-Nelson Hospital should not begin until after the election. We did not vote to raze the Royal Adelaide Hospital in the last state poll, nor did we vote for a huge swath of precious inner-city real estate to be eaten up by a new hospital with a silly name. (I notice Mr Rann has been calling it our big, new "Central Hospital" in his recent mini-budget ads.)

Imagine the boost to Adelaide if a state-of-the-art stadium was built on that site, with an entertainment precinct overlooking the Torrens and trams and walkways linking sports fans to the city's restaurant and nightclub precincts.

Mr Rann wants to grow SA's population by tens of thousands in coming years. Most of those new South Aussies – potential new paid-up members for the Power, the Crows, Adelaide United, the 36ers, Adelaide Lightning and the Thunderbirds – will not be concentrated in the western suburbs.

They'll be located to the north and south of the city, and increasingly in the Adelaide Hills.

A central stadium, one that can be accessed with a single journey on public transport from anywhere in the city, is what we need as the population increases.

Don't get me wrong. On many fronts I think Mr Rann is a good premier. He has his finger very firmly on the public pulse and knows that water and health will be two election deciders.

But parklands development and the revitalisation of inner Adelaide are major sources of frustration for just about every person I know.

They will undoubtedly be sleeper issues in this poll, and right now they are Mr Rann's Achilles heel.

The debate should not be about hospitals OR a stadium – especially as Opposition Leader Martin Hamilton-Smith has pledged to rebuild the Royal Adelaide Hospital at its current site and instead develop "City West" as an entertainment and cultural precinct that might include a world-class sporting venue.

In fact, most people I know would go further than demanding a referendum on a stadium. Most would like to vote on curtailing the powers of Adelaide City Council so the entire state can have a say in developing inner-Adelaide as a vibrant 21st-century city.

[monotonehell]

Here's an article by Lainie Anderson from yesterday's Sunday Mail regarding Media Mike's comments in... Saturday's paper I believe it was.

Just ask us if we want a stadium

PREMIER Mike Rann wants a referendum on the Upper House to coincide with the March 2010 state poll.

...

In fact, most people I know would go further than demanding a referendum on a stadium. Most would like to vote on curtailing the powers of Adelaide City Council so the entire state can have a say in developing inner-Adelaide as a vibrant 21st-century city.

I read that in the Sunday Mail and had an overwhelming feeling that Lainie hadn't done much research other than summarising the main points of the our posts on the subject.