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None of this mess would have happened had they done it properly the first time

I don't understand why this overpass is neccessary.

So people spend more time in traffic, who cares? Let that be an incentive to use other methods to get to work.

Spend the $190 million on better PT. Typical shortsighted thinking here.

omada wrote:I don't understand why this overpass is neccessary.

So people spend more time in traffic, who cares? Let that be an incentive to use other methods to get to work.

Spend the $190 million on better PT. Typical shortsighted thinking here.

The irony of this comment is that this is improving public transport, road infrastructure, and making that area safer.

omada wrote:I don't understand why this overpass is neccessary.

So people spend more time in traffic, who cares? Let that be an incentive to use other methods to get to work.

Spend the $190 million on better PT. Typical shortsighted thinking here.

This overpass will:

- Improve traffic flow due to grade separation
- Provide opportunity to upgrade the road alignment in the area
- Improve pedestrian access, safety and movement
- Improve the speed and efficiency of rail services through the station
- Provide opportunity for a station design that better suits electric trains
- Encourage private investment in the area due to improved connections and improved traffic and pedestrian flows.

I bet that information flows pretty quickly towards December.

omada wrote:
I don't understand why this overpass is neccessary.

So people spend more time in traffic, who cares? Let that be an incentive to use other methods to get to work.

Spend the $190 million on better PT. Typical shortsighted thinking here.


The irony of this comment is that this is improving public transport, road infrastructure, and making that area safer.

It is not improving public transport one iota, train passengers are perfectly happy with or without it, it only improves the lives of motorists.

omada wrote: It is not improving public transport one iota, train passengers are perfectly happy with or without it, it only improves the lives of motorists.

No, no, no.........train passengers will benefit from grade separation, in the future it will enable frequency of services to improve, one train every ten minute, then one train every eight minutes etc. You can not do this with at-level road crossings.......
Same goes for every other rail line crossing a road at street level in the Adelaide metro area.....
Public transport design 101........

omada wrote:

omada wrote:
I don't understand why this overpass is neccessary.

So people spend more time in traffic, who cares? Let that be an incentive to use other methods to get to work.

Spend the $190 million on better PT. Typical shortsighted thinking here.


The irony of this comment is that this is improving public transport, road infrastructure, and making that area safer.

It is not improving public transport one iota, train passengers are perfectly happy with or without it, it only improves the lives of motorists.

It does move the station closer to the aquatic and shopping centre, and creates a better /more secure path and sightline for these facilities, although for the money being spent, it should be part of a plan to completely reconfigure this corner. We keep dicking around with rail upgrades, station upgrades, shopping centre upgrades, road upgrades, but always seem to miss the opportunity to achieve complete integration with the train system.

omada wrote:

omada wrote:
I don't understand why this overpass is neccessary.

So people spend more time in traffic, who cares? Let that be an incentive to use other methods to get to work.

Spend the $190 million on better PT. Typical shortsighted thinking here.


The irony of this comment is that this is improving public transport, road infrastructure, and making that area safer.

It is not improving public transport one iota, train passengers are perfectly happy with or without it, it only improves the lives of motorists.

Our transport infrastructure be it roads and motorways or train lines and trams, need to be treated as one overall network that work together as smoothly and efficiently as possible. Removing train crossings at busy intersections is one way to improve the overall efficiency and safety of where the road network and train network intersect.

PeFe wrote:

omada wrote: It is not improving public transport one iota, train passengers are perfectly happy with or without it, it only improves the lives of motorists.

No, no, no.........train passengers will benefit from grade separation, in the future it will enable frequency of services to improve, one train every ten minute, then one train every eight minutes etc. You can not do this with at-level road crossings.......
Same goes for every other rail line crossing a road at street level in the Adelaide metro area.....
Public transport design 101........

So before we get more frequent trains, the state govt has to first spend many billions of dollars grade separating every single rail crossing in the metropolitan area so that no motorists are inconvenienced?

Public transport design 101, blow the state's limited funds on a level crossing removal to save motorists a couple of minutes while leaving the city's busiest rail line using slow and obsolete Diesel trains. Makes perfect sense.

A train-car/pedestrian collision at the level crossing would disrupt the public transport significantly.
Grade seperation greatly reduces the risk of a collision.

Well it makes sense to remove the threat of train vs vehicle/pedestrian as well as keep traffic flowing.

metro wrote:

PeFe wrote:

omada wrote: It is not improving public transport one iota, train passengers are perfectly happy with or without it, it only improves the lives of motorists.

No, no, no.........train passengers will benefit from grade separation, in the future it will enable frequency of services to improve, one train every ten minute, then one train every eight minutes etc. You can not do this with at-level road crossings.......
Same goes for every other rail line crossing a road at street level in the Adelaide metro area.....
Public transport design 101........

So before we get more frequent trains, the state govt has to first spend many billions of dollars grade separating every single rail crossing in the metropolitan area so that no motorists are inconvenienced?

Public transport design 101, blow the state's limited funds on a level crossing removal to save motorists a couple of minutes while leaving the city's busiest rail line using slow and obsolete Diesel trains. Makes perfect sense.

You want more frequent trains? That's great, and I think we should have that as well.
But your increased passenger train frequency does not help move freight, and small goods faster. More frequent trains will cause delays. Delays mean more costs. More costs means you will pay more at the check out. Delays mean your items you've ordered online will arrive later and later.
This all costs the economy money. In a variety of ways.

Removing level crossings on main and arterial roads in the metropolitan area will create a more efficient transport network.
Removing level crossings should only be part of the bigger picture.
A fully electrified network with more frequent services, a more elaborate tram network, and buses that run their regular routes as well as connect these other services, as well as a network of connected motorways and better road infrastructure overall should all be part of the one big transport network picture for metropolitan Adelaide.
Only when it is all looked at together, and solutions found as a whole, will we get better results.

omada wrote: It is not improving public transport one iota, train passengers are perfectly happy with or without it, it only improves the lives of motorists.

If your point is about the priority of this project among others, I think that's a fair point to make. But there are obvious improvements to public transport that would follow from the overpass, not only in terms of service, location and amenity for rail commuters, but for the bus services that must traverse this intersection.

Does anyone know with the Oaklands Railway Crossing upgrade, if they are just building an overpass for the train line? Or will they build and underpass for Diagonal Rd as well? I honestly don't think building a train overpass will fix the traffic problem. I live near by, and know how bad the traffic can get.