[U/C] M2 North-South Motorway

[aceman]

That flyover proposed at Black Forest coming from South Road to Anzac Highway should be abandoned. We should not be encouraging cars to travel to and from the City. Express buses if they are to use the tunnel, the left lane should be a HV Lane primarily for buses and trucks.

Maybe on the South Road surface road a bus route should be trialled to run between Darlington and Wingfield to give people an alternative to driving.

Yes, let's use our teleportation devices to get to/from the city.

yep, I've never understood the thought process behind "let's try and discourage people from driving their cars to the city by deliberately limiting exits which in turn limits thousands of commercial vehicles and buses from exiting resulting in a bottleneck at the next exit point" a typical case of "in order to try and solve one problem let's create five new ones instead"

[rev]

That flyover proposed at Black Forest coming from South Road to Anzac Highway should be abandoned. We should not be encouraging cars to travel to and from the City. Express buses if they are to use the tunnel, the left lane should be a HV Lane primarily for buses and trucks.

Maybe on the South Road surface road a bus route should be trialled to run between Darlington and Wingfield to give people an alternative to driving.

Yes, let's use our teleportation devices to get to/from the city.

yep, I've never understood the thought process behind "let's try and discourage people from driving their cars to the city by deliberately limiting exits which in turn limits thousands of commercial vehicles and buses from exiting resulting in a bottleneck at the next exit point" a typical case of "in order to try and solve one problem let's create five new ones instead"

Most people don't understand it, you're not alone.

The best way to discourage more personal vehicles from going into the city, is by providing better public transport options. What we need is better roads, and better public transport.
Theres no reason we should have one over the other.
If our politicians can't deliver both, then we need to change politicians.

Their idea though is just make it impossible for cars, problem solved.

[rev]

same thing with the T2D Facebook page. nothing posted since April 7. prior to that there were updates at least weekly with some weeks having updates and facts etc every few days. I think you're right though and labor are going back to the drawing board. in my travels recently I haven't taken any notice as to whether the core sampling that's happened along various locations just off the current south road is continuing or not.

There's a lot of activity on side streets which to me looks like core sampling.

the ones I've driven past that were actively running most days seem to have packed up with no one there. unless they've moved to a new site and haven't finished clearing the previous site.

They were drilling at the end of a side street near the Henley Beach road intersection this afternoon.

[aceman]

There's a lot of activity on side streets which to me looks like core sampling.

the ones I've driven past that were actively running most days seem to have packed up with no one there. unless they've moved to a new site and haven't finished clearing the previous site.

They were drilling at the end of a side street near the Henley Beach road intersection this afternoon.

ok, looks as if the drilling sites south of anzac highway for the southern tunnel may have finished obtaining core samples.

[SBD]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-24/ ... /101179768

The fact the worst politician in the country has any influence on this development is just horrendous.

He only has himself in mind, not the state.

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Agree with this take. Kouts comes across as one of the more self-serving politicians. It's a shame he took control of the state's most critical infrastructure project and that it's already been delayed by at least a year since Labor took back control.

Hope I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem like a priority for them now.

He doesn’t like the elevated section proposed near the Brickworks. I wonder if he will come up with a proposal for the tunnel to continue under the Torrens, with the portals directly into the trench. Cost and time blowouts associated with that change will mean construction in his electorate can be delayed until he has retired from parliament.

[1NEEDS2POST]

Yes, let's use our teleportation devices to get to/from the city.

yep, I've never understood the thought process behind "let's try and discourage people from driving their cars to the city by deliberately limiting exits which in turn limits thousands of commercial vehicles and buses from exiting resulting in a bottleneck at the next exit point" a typical case of "in order to try and solve one problem let's create five new ones instead"

Most people don't understand it, you're not alone.

The best way to discourage more personal vehicles from going into the city, is by providing better public transport options. What we need is better roads, and better public transport.
Theres no reason we should have one over the other.
If our politicians can't deliver both, then we need to change politicians.

Their idea though is just make it impossible for cars, problem solved.

Little has been said about public transport integration. Bus routes to the south, near Happy Valley, could be quite fast if buses use the motorway. What we need are bus lanes along ANZAC Highway to the tunnel. Express buses to the city will be popular, but if they keep the bus routes on surface roads and stopping all the time, then public transport will go backwards.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-24/ ... /101179768

The fact the worst politician in the country has any influence on this development is just horrendous.

He only has himself in mind, not the state.

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Agree with this take. Kouts comes across as one of the more self-serving politicians. It's a shame he took control of the state's most critical infrastructure project and that it's already been delayed by at least a year since Labor took back control.

Hope I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem like a priority for them now.

You're not wrong, he also thinks he's above the law. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-04-20/ ... ns/1656898

[NYG]

You're not wrong, he also thinks he's above the law.

Certainly not condoning his driving record, but he’s far from the only one to be considered as such.

Let’s keep discussion to the Motorway rather than politics shall we?

[rev]

Little has been said about public transport integration. Bus routes to the south, near Happy Valley, could be quite fast if buses use the motorway. What we need are bus lanes along ANZAC Highway to the tunnel. Express buses to the city will be popular, but if they keep the bus routes on surface roads and stopping all the time, then public transport will go backwards.

Well exactly. I keep saying the major infrastructure projects, like the NSM particularly up north the connector, should have had trains as originally intended.
We need not only investment in our roads but PT, but some people think we should de-invest in road infrastructure, and force everyone to get on a bus or imaginary trains and trams that are in no way shape or form convenient for the majority.

If we want to be a liveable city, and maintain something reminiscent of that "20 minutes to everything", then heavy investment in roads & pt is needed, not delays and bullshit political games that both Labor and Liberal play.

We all knew Labor would do what they're doing now. Sitting there pretending it's one mans decision is a little naive when the Labor government is clearly pushing an agenda based on money/costs, or better "what money"...It's an overall government decision which is tied in to their election promises and things they will do.
They need to fund other things that they think got them elected and will keep them in government, and the easiest way to do that is to pick apart the remainder of the NSM project which the Liberals put the plan for together, and blame the Liberals.

[claybro]

Little has been said about public transport integration. Bus routes to the south, near Happy Valley, could be quite fast if buses use the motorway. What we need are bus lanes along ANZAC Highway to the tunnel. Express buses to the city will be popular, but if they keep the bus routes on surface roads and stopping all the time, then public transport will go backwards.

Well exactly. I keep saying the major infrastructure projects, like the NSM particularly up north the connector, should have had trains as originally intended.
We need not only investment in our roads but PT, but some people think we should de-invest in road infrastructure, and force everyone to get on a bus or imaginary trains and trams that are in no way shape or form convenient for the majority.

If we want to be a liveable city, and maintain something reminiscent of that "20 minutes to everything", then heavy investment in roads & pt is needed, not delays and bullshit political games that both Labor and Liberal play.

We all knew Labor would do what they're doing now. Sitting there pretending it's one mans decision is a little naive when the Labor government is clearly pushing an agenda based on money/costs, or better "what money"...It's an overall government decision which is tied in to their election promises and things they will do.
They need to fund other things that they think got them elected and will keep them in government, and the easiest way to do that is to pick apart the remainder of the NSM project which the Liberals put the plan for together, and blame the Liberals.

Strongly agree that the constant political posturing of both sides has created the poorly utilised mess that is Adelaide transport both road and rail. And both sides have been at it for around 50 years. But why are we even discussing busses from Happy Valley clogging up the motorway and Anzac highway, when they can be routed to an interchange at Flinders train station? Are they so scared to ask people to get off a bus and on to a train-rather than sit in a bus in a traffic jam on West Terrace every morning? There is nowhere near enough use of interchanges in Adelaide leading to competing duplication of systems.

[Vasco]

Little has been said about public transport integration. Bus routes to the south, near Happy Valley, could be quite fast if buses use the motorway. What we need are bus lanes along ANZAC Highway to the tunnel. Express buses to the city will be popular, but if they keep the bus routes on surface roads and stopping all the time, then public transport will go backwards.

Well exactly. I keep saying the major infrastructure projects, like the NSM particularly up north the connector, should have had trains as originally intended.
We need not only investment in our roads but PT, but some people think we should de-invest in road infrastructure, and force everyone to get on a bus or imaginary trains and trams that are in no way shape or form convenient for the majority.

If we want to be a liveable city, and maintain something reminiscent of that "20 minutes to everything", then heavy investment in roads & pt is needed, not delays and bullshit political games that both Labor and Liberal play.

We all knew Labor would do what they're doing now. Sitting there pretending it's one mans decision is a little naive when the Labor government is clearly pushing an agenda based on money/costs, or better "what money"...It's an overall government decision which is tied in to their election promises and things they will do.
They need to fund other things that they think got them elected and will keep them in government, and the easiest way to do that is to pick apart the remainder of the NSM project which the Liberals put the plan for together, and blame the Liberals.

Strongly agree that the constant political posturing of both sides has created the poorly utilised mess that is Adelaide transport both road and rail. And both sides have been at it for around 50 years. But why are we even discussing busses from Happy Valley clogging up the motorway and Anzac highway, when they can be routed to an interchange at Flinders train station? Are they so scared to ask people to get off a bus and on to a train-rather than sit in a bus in a traffic jam on West Terrace every morning? There is nowhere near enough use of interchanges in Adelaide leading to competing duplication of systems.

That assumes people want to get off in the city rather than along south/goodwood road (and yes I know the train line is somewhere in between the two).

Also the Adelaide railway station isn’t convenient for everyone / people who work in other areas of the CBD, as opposed to where the bus stops along the way.


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[NTRabbit]

Strongly agree that the constant political posturing of both sides has created the poorly utilised mess that is Adelaide transport both road and rail. And both sides have been at it for around 50 years. But why are we even discussing busses from Happy Valley clogging up the motorway and Anzac highway, when they can be routed to an interchange at Flinders train station? Are they so scared to ask people to get off a bus and on to a train-rather than sit in a bus in a traffic jam on West Terrace every morning? There is nowhere near enough use of interchanges in Adelaide leading to competing duplication of systems.

The Flinders line trains don't run often enough for that to be viable, this came up in the last government's abortive horror show of a bus network "upgrade", all it does is make the trip take even longer and encourage more car use, and that's before you get to the train not making convenient stops in the South of the CBD as said above.

[Eurostar]

Strongly agree that the constant political posturing of both sides has created the poorly utilised mess that is Adelaide transport both road and rail. And both sides have been at it for around 50 years. But why are we even discussing busses from Happy Valley clogging up the motorway and Anzac highway, when they can be routed to an interchange at Flinders train station? Are they so scared to ask people to get off a bus and on to a train-rather than sit in a bus in a traffic jam on West Terrace every morning? There is nowhere near enough use of interchanges in Adelaide leading to competing duplication of systems.

The Flinders line trains don't run often enough for that to be viable, this came up in the last government's abortive horror show of a bus network "upgrade", all it does is make the trip take even longer and encourage more car use, and that's before you get to the train not making convenient stops in the South of the CBD as said above.

In a way the main purpose of motorway is to move freight not for truck drivers to get held up and get cut off by Kath and Kim going to City or Fountain Gate. Hence why I recommend one of the lanes in each direction should be HOV lane for transit and freight vehicles.

[aceman]

Strongly agree that the constant political posturing of both sides has created the poorly utilised mess that is Adelaide transport both road and rail. And both sides have been at it for around 50 years. But why are we even discussing busses from Happy Valley clogging up the motorway and Anzac highway, when they can be routed to an interchange at Flinders train station? Are they so scared to ask people to get off a bus and on to a train-rather than sit in a bus in a traffic jam on West Terrace every morning? There is nowhere near enough use of interchanges in Adelaide leading to competing duplication of systems.

The Flinders line trains don't run often enough for that to be viable, this came up in the last government's abortive horror show of a bus network "upgrade", all it does is make the trip take even longer and encourage more car use, and that's before you get to the train not making convenient stops in the South of the CBD as said above.

In a way the main purpose of motorway is to move freight not for truck drivers to get held up and get cut off by Kath and Kim going to City or Fountain Gate. Hence why I recommend one of the lanes in each direction should be HOV lane for transit and freight vehicles.

where exactly does it say that the main purpose of this motorway is for freight? my understanding is the motorway is being built to benefit everyone.

[SBD]

The Flinders line trains don't run often enough for that to be viable, this came up in the last government's abortive horror show of a bus network "upgrade", all it does is make the trip take even longer and encourage more car use, and that's before you get to the train not making convenient stops in the South of the CBD as said above.

In a way the main purpose of motorway is to move freight not for truck drivers to get held up and get cut off by Kath and Kim going to City or Fountain Gate. Hence why I recommend one of the lanes in each direction should be HOV lane for transit and freight vehicles.

where exactly does it say that the main purpose of this motorway is for freight? my understanding is the motorway is being built to benefit everyone.

The business case was built on freight movement. Once it is built, the motorway will also help commuters to live further from where they work. Free-flowing traffic produces a smaller quantity of harmful emissions than stop-start driving.

[claybro]

The Flinders line trains don't run often enough for that to be viable, this came up in the last government's abortive horror show of a bus network "upgrade", all it does is make the trip take even longer and encourage more car use, and that's before you get to the train not making convenient stops in the South of the CBD as said above.
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Then make the Flinders line more frequent.-And speed the damn trains up...they are designed to travel up to 130km/h, although obviously not where there are level crossings-they could be much faster than the current timid way they are run in Adelaide. Seriously-bus to rail works well in very other mainland city. I don't know why it is such a taboo in Adelaide.