The Federal Politics Thread

[rev]

LOL I'm cherry picking. And you're not supplying a source.

This goes in the Rev's Outrageous Opinions box until you do.

I suppose the three times the courts looked into GetUp last year, at the instigation of Tony Abbott, Eric Abetz, Peter Dutton, etc, the courts cherry picked too? They found GetUp to be a legitimate apolitical group, remember?

Your rhetoric actually reminds me of Eric Abetz

lol. Yeh ok, they exclusively target non-socialist (non-Labor/Greens) politicians to get them ousted from office, but they're an apolitical group.
Pushing a socialist political agenda, have Labor socialists on their boards, but nah, apolitical.

Can't make this stuff up


I knew you wouldn't do it and you would react the way you did. You are so typically predictable. Usual socialist nonsense, unable to deal in pure facts but rather twisting reality and trying to deflect. Anything but talking about what isn't convenient that shines a light on things socialists would rather keep out of the light.

Good to know we have a Getup member on this site, puts your posts into perspective, especially how upset you get over criticism of Bill Shorten. Like how he managed to outspend a sitting Prime Minister by $60,000~ a month

Being a member of Getup Rhino you should know that Getup them selves even disclosed some of their foreign funding. Why are you playing dumb on this fact for?

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/getup-discl ... -donations

Should we delve into the people who started Getup and the funding they received from George Sorros' socialist foundations, Bill Shorten's union money, or the CFMEU?
Should we dig up the facts that Wikileaks brought to light about these people?



Just for a giggle...

they're apolitical he says

But nice attempt at slandering and discrediting me with nonsense such as "Revs Outrageous Opinions Box". Here in case you skipped over it because the truth isn't convenient for socialist minions... https://www.sbs.com.au/news/getup-discl ... -donations

[SRW]

Oooh ahhh socialism, how scary. The whole 'reds under the bed' bit is dated and misapplied. Issues-based progressive activism is not the same thing as socialism.

And anyway, what's the problem? It's a democracy, they have as much freedom to act and advocate (with far less financing) as the big capitalist lobby groups (e.g. Minerals Council, Property Council etc.). And tbh, I don't think they're even that effective, certainly not enough to get your knickers twisted about.

I find it exasperating how all these poor conservatives cry wolf about how mistreated they are without an ounce of self-reflection on how poorly they treat others.

[rhino]

Oooh ahhh socialism, how scary. The whole 'reds under the bed' bit is dated and misapplied. Issues-based progressive activism is not the same thing as socialism.

And anyway, what's the problem? It's a democracy, they have as much freedom to act and advocate (with far less financing) as the big capitalist lobby groups (e.g. Minerals Council, Property Council etc.). And tbh, I don't think they're even that effective, certainly not enough to get your knickers twisted about.

I find it exasperating how all these poor conservatives cry wolf about how mistreated they are without an ounce of self-reflection on how poorly they treat others.

This! /\ /\ /\

[rhino]

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/getup-discl ... -donations

Did you even read this article you linked to you stupid bloody troll?

It's very small peanuts compared to what the LNP are receiving! If this is the sort of stuff that's upsetting you, ... words fail me

[rev]

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/getup-discl ... -donations

Did you even read this article you linked to you stupid bloody troll?

It's very small peanuts compared to what the LNP are receiving! If this is the sort of stuff that's upsetting you, ... words fail me

Wow, didn't take long for the insults to start flying. Stupid bloody troll. Not you're finest work.

So your excuse for your group Getup being initially funded and continuing to be funded by foreigner political interests (as well as locals such as the unions and gullible individuals), is that the Liberal party receives foreign donations?

You suggested I sound like Eric Abetz, whom you have a gripe with because he's successfully called out GetUp for being a socialist activist group when they claim otherwise.
Why doesn't GetUp just admit what they are and who they are for?

And you're right, political parties receive donations from foreigners too. The difference is they are political parties, and we know about it. They aren't pretending to be a mothers committee for example.

So when it suits you, GetUp is apolitical, but when it suits you, you compare their foreign financing that helps push a political agenda, as the same as an registered political party in Australia? Usual socialist logic at work here.

Yeh, words fail you.


Congratulations though. You've distracted from the ridiculous spending of tax payers money by politicians from all sides of politics. Especially your hero Bill Shorten.
Lets talk about that too, or nah is that a little bit of a touchy subject for you given Bill Shorten your union GetUp hero managed to outspend a sitting Prime Minister on a monthly average?

[rhino]

You suggested I sound like Eric Abetz, whom you have a gripe with because he's successfully called out GetUp for being a socialist activist group when they claim otherwise.

What planet are you living on? Talk about twisting things to suit your argument!

Eric Abetz did not call GetUp a socialist activist group that claimed otherwise. He called them a political affiliate and wanted them to be muzzled. This went to court three times, and each time, he lost. There was no evidence of GetUp being a political affiliate.

You can rant all you want, it's very clear where you stand - it doesn't make you right, anywhere except in your own little world.

[claybro]

Oooh ahhh socialism, how scary. The whole 'reds under the bed' bit is dated and misapplied. Issues-based progressive activism is not the same thing as socialism.

Except, issues based progressive activist groups very often attack free market capitalism as the problem, and their answers to "progressive issues" seem to always involve some sort of socialism as the answer. That is why generally, people associate progressives with socialism. So although not the same thing, one promotes the other.

[gnrc_louis]

Except, issues based progressive activist groups very often attack free market capitalism as the problem, and their answers to "progressive issues" seem to always involve some sort of socialism as the answer. That is why generally, people associate progressives with socialism. So although not the same thing, one promotes the other.

Lmao "some sort of socialism." What - like universal healthcare aka medicare? Benefits for people in between jobs aka Centrelink? or Government funded schools? They're all elements of democratic socialism found here within Australia.

Besides, "free market capitalism" I think clearly has problems at current. Post-GFC, most developed economies have remained relatively sluggish in their GDP growth, wages have largely stagnated, casualisation continues to increase, retail spending isn't great etc etc. Meanwhile, profit margins for large companies have continued to grow, as have the salaries of their senior management. They've received large tax cuts because supposedly they'll magically produce more and employ more people with this money - yet this has proven continually to be a falsehood, GDP growth continues to be mostly driven by consumers and government spending. Furthermore, it looks likely the world (and this time Australia won't avoid it) are moving toward another large recession. So I don't think critiquing the current state of "free market capitalism" by default makes you some wild eyed Marxist.

[gnrc_louis]

Of course she felt unsafe, GetUp is a socialist militant group with foreign funding. They should be shut down as a threat to our democracy. .

Lmao because nothing more democratic than "shutting down" a well organised, yet non-violent protest group

[SRW]

Oooh ahhh socialism, how scary. The whole 'reds under the bed' bit is dated and misapplied. Issues-based progressive activism is not the same thing as socialism.

Except, issues based progressive activist groups very often attack free market capitalism as the problem

Yes, very often capitalism is the problem. Markets are imperfect and rarely free. Economy must always be weighted with society.

[claybro]

Lmao "some sort of socialism." What - like universal healthcare aka medicare? Benefits for people in between jobs aka Centrelink? or Government funded schools? They're all elements of democratic socialism found here within Australia.

Besides, "free market capitalism" I think clearly has problems at current. Post-GFC, most developed economies have remained relatively sluggish in their GDP growth, wages have largely stagnated, casualisation continues to increase, retail spending isn't great etc etc. Meanwhile, profit margins for large companies have continued to grow, as have the salaries of their senior management. They've received large tax cuts because supposedly they'll magically produce more and employ more people with this money - yet this has proven continually to be a falsehood, GDP growth continues to be mostly driven by consumers and government spending. Furthermore, it looks likely the world (and this time Australia won't avoid it) are moving toward another large recession. So I don't think critiquing the current state of "free market capitalism" by default makes you some wild eyed Marxist.

Agree with most of this, some essential services need to be "socialised" in a fair society. Pure Capitalism is not fair on all, but neither does all forms of socialism encourage effort and reward, there is a happy medium. There is a tendency now for progressive activist groups for becoming more militant activist groups. People who want to prevent everyone eating meat, closing down half of Melbourne by sitting on Flinders Street intersection, requiring emergency services to re-route for about 4 hours. Or people wanting to prevent a coal mine, gluing themselves to the road, closing down Brisbane in peak hour. These groups are not satisfied with socialism within the existing democratic framework-they want to short circuit democracy and stop capitalism entirely. So yes, the answers for many activists groups do not exist within democracy as we know it. This has nothing to do with centrelink or medicare, which were won on political terms, not by completely holding the rest of society to ransom.

[rev]

LMFAO Barnaby Joyce complaining he cant get by on $211,000 a year.
Apparently he's catching his own meat now...
Imagine if politicians had to survive on Newstart. We'd see scenes worse then Mad Max. Would make a good reality show.

At least he's advocating for Newstart to be increased which is something. Everyone from Pauline Hanson to John Howard think it needs to be raised. Except the PM and treasurer, and I bet my legion of obsessive fans here who argue against everything I say

[rhino]

Agreeing with you on this one Rev.

[Nort]

LMFAO Barnaby Joyce complaining he cant get by on $211,000 a year.
Apparently he's catching his own meat now...
Imagine if politicians had to survive on Newstart. We'd see scenes worse then Mad Max. Would make a good reality show.

At least he's advocating for Newstart to be increased which is something. Everyone from Pauline Hanson to John Howard think it needs to be raised. Except the PM and treasurer, and I bet my legion of obsessive fans here who argue against everything I say

Newstart should definitely have been raised years ago, it's not only the right thing to do - it will be good for the economy.

We should be pegging Newstart to a fraction of either the average income or minimum wage.

[SRW]

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