Riverlea (Buckland Park) | 12,000 dwellings | $3b

[Wayno]

Don't you get my point? Not everyone works in the Fucking CBD!

agree - i'm certain a large % of residents will be non-office workers (tradespeople, etc) who will need to commute in directions not supported by PT.

[AtD]

Its a self contained township, not everyone commutes to the cbd everyday, Unlike what many wannabe transport planners say.

That would make sense if there were any large industry out there. It's 20km from Elizabeth!

[Wilfy 2007]

Its a self contained township, not everyone commutes to the cbd everyday, Unlike what many wannabe transport planners say.

That would make sense if there were any large industry out there. It's 20km from Elizabeth!

The trip to Elizabeth would not take long though would it.

Is there any likely hood of a Railcar service from Virginia to Adelaide do you think?

Regards,

[Norman]

Its a self contained township, not everyone commutes to the cbd everyday, Unlike what many wannabe transport planners say.

That would make sense if there were any large industry out there. It's 20km from Elizabeth!

The trip to Elizabeth would not take long though would it.

Is there any likely hood of a Railcar service from Virginia to Adelaide do you think?

Regards,

No. It's not feasible.

[Wilfy 2007]

No. It's not feasible.

[/quote]
So that means previous Infastructure is no longer at Virginia, is this correct?

Regards

[AtD]

The trip to Elizabeth would not take long though would it.

It's a matter of distance (ie direct cost), not time.

[Norman]

No. It's not feasible.

So that means previous Infastructure is no longer at Virginia, is this correct?

Regards

It wouldn't be feasible to run trains (even diesel) to those townships because of the small amount of people living there.

[AG]

$2bn Buckland Park development will have 'no public transport'
JOANNA VAUGHAN, POLITICAL REPORTER
July 22, 2008 05:45pm
THE planned $2 billion Buckland Park development is likely to be approved without basic public transport infrastructure, the Greens claim.

Greens Mark Parnell yesterday questioned why the proposed 15,000-home project between Virginia and Port Gawler would be built without promise of public transport infrastructure, forcing residents to rely on private cars to drive to neighbouring regions for essential facilities and employment.
The proposed Buckland Park township was declared a major project 12 months ago to bring it under the control of the State Government and to fast-track the development.

Responding to the question, Planning Minister Paul Holloway said Buckland Park had a significant advantage in that it is closer to the centre of Adelaide than a number of other developments.

"In relation to transport, it has an advantage; it is not far away from the current standard gauge line that goes to Virginia ... Obviously if there is a significant development in that area, it opens up some potential in the future," he said.

Mr Parnell said Mr Holloway's answer indicated the Rann Government was prepared to allow thousands of new homes to be built well away from basic public transport infrastructure, which was "absolute madness."

"The Buckland Park project is a massive "ghetto in waiting' as people attracted by relatively low land prices will be marooned by petrol prices set to soar over $2 a litre," he said.

"While Perth massively expands their rail network, and builds new suburbs around their new train stations, we plonk 15,000 new residents in the middle of nowhere and expect them to survive on their own."

The Buckland Park project was last week expanded from 8000 to 15,000 people.

[AtD]

Greens fear northern housing 'ghetto'
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008 ... 311526.htm
Posted Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:18am AEST

New housing could become a 'ghetto', say Greens (ABC News: Gary Rivett)

The Greens say a housing development on Adelaide's northern outskirts is likely to be approved without public transport services.

Walker Corporation is proposing to use 1,300 hectares of land between Port Gawler and Virginia for housing for an estimated 15,000 people.

The South Australian Government says the site is not far from a rail line and closer to central Adelaide than other new housing developments.

Greens MP Mark Parnell fears the project will lack basic public transport.

"The Government says that they want more transit-oriented development yet when it comes to Buckland Park they're going to have a ghetto out on the outskirts, with no train line, no transit-oriented development at all. It's a ghetto in waiting," he said.

"This is a disaster. They're looking at low-income housing which is good, but dumping low-income families on the outskirts of Adelaide with no services will be seen in a few years' time to be a crime - when petrol's gone to $2 or $3 a litre it'll be regarded as very poor planning."

It's not something said very often, but I agree with the Greens on this one.

[Jim]

The more I read on climate change the more I am convinced that we are now looking at the more the extreme of predicted impacts including rise in sea level. I am wondering at what point government or for that matter insurer’s step in to stop coastal and low lying projects. Or will my kids be paying for huge levy banks in 30 or 40 years.

[Cruise]

So hang on, why does the CBD have crime then?

[Omicron]

Am I the only one to whom this development screams 'Monarto'? This sounds like a '70s urban planner's wet dream, and I for one don't like the idea of the poor souls stuck out there gasping for air amidst all that utopian pre-planned backslapping raining down on them.

It's rather chilly out on this limb, I must say.

[monotonehell]

So hang on, why does the CBD have crime then?

Because there's trains from Elizabeth and Marion... oops did I say that out loud?

Am I the only one to whom this development screams 'Monarto'? This sounds like a '70s urban planner's wet dream, and I for one don't like the idea of the poor souls stuck out there gasping for air amidst all that utopian pre-planned backslapping raining down on them.

It's rather chilly out on this limb, I must say.

The connection hadn't occurred until you mentioned it. But then again Monarto was the Elizabeth of the 1970s. BUT in these times of (insert doom and gloom here) it doesn't make much sense to set up such a development with out transport to local and distant centres. It needs a decent PT link to Gawler, Elizabeth, Salisbury somehow. A spur from the Galwer line at Salisbury making use of the ARCT right of way to Virginia and then plough on through perhaps? I'll leave it up to you gunzels to dream it up though.

[Omicron]

So hang on, why does the CBD have crime then?

Because there's trains from Elizabeth and Marion... oops did I say that out loud?

Am I the only one to whom this development screams 'Monarto'? This sounds like a '70s urban planner's wet dream, and I for one don't like the idea of the poor souls stuck out there gasping for air amidst all that utopian pre-planned backslapping raining down on them.

It's rather chilly out on this limb, I must say.

The connection hadn't occurred until you mentioned it. But then again Monarto was the Elizabeth of the 1970s. BUT in these times of (insert doom and gloom here) it doesn't make much sense to set up such a development with out transport to local and distant centres. It needs a decent PT link to Gawler, Elizabeth, Salisbury somehow. A spur from the Galwer line at Salisbury making use of the ARCT right of way to Virginia and then plough on through perhaps? I'll leave it up to you gunzels to dream it up though.

Stop encouraging them! I fail to see the point in building houses over there (*points*) for people who work over here (*points*). Vast tracts of the north are blanketed with barely-habitable dross but are practically on top of the prime commercial and industrial areas of Elizabeth and Salisbury. What we need is large-scale urban rejuvenation and redevelopment, just like the Playford Alive project covering much of Davoren Park and Smithfield Plains that seeks to introduce medium-density to previously-underutilised space and involves the wholescale renewal of dilapidated areas. If the lead of the City of Salisbury in water conservation is followed in this instance, there is no reason why such renewal efforts cannot be expanded across a wider network of existing suburbs.

It seems better sense to me to work within our existing public transport, business, community service and road network parameters and enhance them as needed, rather than start all over again miles away.

[Norman]

Because there's trains from Elizabeth and Marion... oops did I say that out loud?

Hey, you keep your Ice users at bay and we'll stop people throwing acid at each other