News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

[Spotto]

A look at the concept of new development at Aldinga, but significantly, the location of the reserved rail corridor.

The rail extension, and any others under consideration, should be built in advance of new development.

[Norman]

It's great to see that the rail corridor has been retained in the masterplan, and that the town centre of the development is located next to it. Hopefully this will ensure that development near the future station can be a bit denser and provide some variety amongst the houses.

Looks like we will need to wait until the 2030s for that rail link though... that motorway project sure is sucking up all our cashflow for the next decade.

It also looks like any future extension of the train line will be difficult since there are houses on the other side of Aldinga Road.

[SBD]

It's great to see that the rail corridor has been retained in the masterplan, and that the town centre of the development is located next to it. Hopefully this will ensure that development near the future station can be a bit denser and provide some variety amongst the houses.

Looks like we will need to wait until the 2030s for that rail link though... that motorway project sure is sucking up all our cashflow for the next decade.

It also looks like any future extension of the train line will be difficult since there are houses on the other side of Aldinga Road.

The 2030s are only just over 5 years away, with a state election in March 2030. Mount Barker, Aldinga, Murray Bridge, Roseworthy, Riverlea, Concordia - could be enough to provide some division between party platforms?

[Brucetiki]

Here's a video I shot of the Port Dock line on opening day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9VWWKEJUrU

[Jacob_ULG3]

Just out of curiosity, how would grade separating and removing all the Level Crossings between Glanville and Outer Harbor work?

Would it be like Melbourne with SkyRail? Considering the proximity between stations and the number of Level Crossings?
How much of an impact would it be for local residents if a SkyRail idea was in place for that section? i.e would it block peoples view or would it beneficial in someway
How much would it cost to get it grade separated?
If it were grade separated, would there be more community space for local communities in the surrounds suburbs? How much land acquisition is needed for this to go ahead
If a SkyRail idea was proposed, would the possibility of duplication between Outer Harbor and Osborne go ahead or would it stay the same?
Would the SkyRail keep the possibility of extending Harbor to the AUKUS submarine construction zone?

Let me know your thoughts?
Where else would grade separation of Adelaide's Rail network would be ideal? I believe grade separating between Glanville to Outer Harbor could happen with the SkyRail approach, and then rail under approaches for Croydon to St Clair due to the increase number of services with Port Dock. Maybe Rail under approach for Parafield, Salisbury and Smithfield.

[rubberman]

Just out of curiosity, how would grade separating and removing all the Level Crossings between Glanville and Outer Harbor work?

Would it be like Melbourne with SkyRail? Considering the proximity between stations and the number of Level Crossings?
How much of an impact would it be for local residents if a SkyRail idea was in place for that section? i.e would it block peoples view or would it beneficial in someway
How much would it cost to get it grade separated?
If it were grade separated, would there be more community space for local communities in the surrounds suburbs? How much land acquisition is needed for this to go ahead
If a SkyRail idea was proposed, would the possibility of duplication between Outer Harbor and Osborne go ahead or would it stay the same?
Would the SkyRail keep the possibility of extending Harbor to the AUKUS submarine construction zone?

Let me know your thoughts?
Where else would grade separation of Adelaide's Rail network would be ideal? I believe grade separating between Glanville to Outer Harbor could happen with the SkyRail approach, and then rail under approaches for Croydon to St Clair due to the increase number of services with Port Dock. Maybe Rail under approach for Parafield, Salisbury and Smithfield.

If that number of overpasses was required, you'd have to think that conversion to light rail would be an economic certainty. Trams with axle loads of 9 Tonnes vs Heavy rail of 24 Tonnes would be tens of millions of dollars cheaper each. Plus the on and off ramps for trams could be 8% vs heavy rail 2-3%.

[rev]

Just out of curiosity, how would grade separating and removing all the Level Crossings between Glanville and Outer Harbor work?

Would it be like Melbourne with SkyRail? Considering the proximity between stations and the number of Level Crossings?
How much of an impact would it be for local residents if a SkyRail idea was in place for that section? i.e would it block peoples view or would it beneficial in someway
How much would it cost to get it grade separated?
If it were grade separated, would there be more community space for local communities in the surrounds suburbs? How much land acquisition is needed for this to go ahead
If a SkyRail idea was proposed, would the possibility of duplication between Outer Harbor and Osborne go ahead or would it stay the same?
Would the SkyRail keep the possibility of extending Harbor to the AUKUS submarine construction zone?

Let me know your thoughts?
Where else would grade separation of Adelaide's Rail network would be ideal? I believe grade separating between Glanville to Outer Harbor could happen with the SkyRail approach, and then rail under approaches for Croydon to St Clair due to the increase number of services with Port Dock. Maybe Rail under approach for Parafield, Salisbury and Smithfield.

What about sending the roads under the train line, like we have already at Chief Street, Rosetta Street, Goodwood Road..
11 roads from my count. Would probably be cheaper and probably require less property acquisitions by the government.
Could probably re-build some of the stations as well.

[SBD]

Just out of curiosity, how would grade separating and removing all the Level Crossings between Glanville and Outer Harbor work?

Would it be like Melbourne with SkyRail? Considering the proximity between stations and the number of Level Crossings?
How much of an impact would it be for local residents if a SkyRail idea was in place for that section? i.e would it block peoples view or would it beneficial in someway
How much would it cost to get it grade separated?
If it were grade separated, would there be more community space for local communities in the surrounds suburbs? How much land acquisition is needed for this to go ahead
If a SkyRail idea was proposed, would the possibility of duplication between Outer Harbor and Osborne go ahead or would it stay the same?
Would the SkyRail keep the possibility of extending Harbor to the AUKUS submarine construction zone?

Let me know your thoughts?
Where else would grade separation of Adelaide's Rail network would be ideal? I believe grade separating between Glanville to Outer Harbor could happen with the SkyRail approach, and then rail under approaches for Croydon to St Clair due to the increase number of services with Port Dock. Maybe Rail under approach for Parafield, Salisbury and Smithfield.

What about sending the roads under the train line, like we have already at Chief Street, Rosetta Street, Goodwood Road..
11 roads from my count. Would probably be cheaper and probably require less property acquisitions by the government.
Could probably re-build some of the stations as well.

20 years ago, "they" were talking of closing the Anderson Walk crossing at Smithfield. I don't recall why, how serious they were, or why they didn't. In the absence of any rail level changes at Anderson Walk, it would make more sense to put Curtis Road under the railway line as there is quite an altitude difference from Coventry Road to Main North Road, so putting the road under just moves all of the hill east of the railway instead of part each side (and a slight downhill just east of the railway at present).

[Norman]

Just out of curiosity, how would grade separating and removing all the Level Crossings between Glanville and Outer Harbor work?

Would it be like Melbourne with SkyRail? Considering the proximity between stations and the number of Level Crossings?
How much of an impact would it be for local residents if a SkyRail idea was in place for that section? i.e would it block peoples view or would it beneficial in someway
How much would it cost to get it grade separated?
If it were grade separated, would there be more community space for local communities in the surrounds suburbs? How much land acquisition is needed for this to go ahead
If a SkyRail idea was proposed, would the possibility of duplication between Outer Harbor and Osborne go ahead or would it stay the same?
Would the SkyRail keep the possibility of extending Harbor to the AUKUS submarine construction zone?

Let me know your thoughts?
Where else would grade separation of Adelaide's Rail network would be ideal? I believe grade separating between Glanville to Outer Harbor could happen with the SkyRail approach, and then rail under approaches for Croydon to St Clair due to the increase number of services with Port Dock. Maybe Rail under approach for Parafield, Salisbury and Smithfield.

Given that the corridor only sees a train every 30 minutes for most of the day, there really is no point grade separating any of those level crossings. The government should focus on high impact crossings like Brighton Road, Kings Road, Park Terrace and Cross Road.

[SouthAussie94]

Just out of curiosity, how would grade separating and removing all the Level Crossings between Glanville and Outer Harbor work?

Would it be like Melbourne with SkyRail? Considering the proximity between stations and the number of Level Crossings?
How much of an impact would it be for local residents if a SkyRail idea was in place for that section? i.e would it block peoples view or would it beneficial in someway
How much would it cost to get it grade separated?
If it were grade separated, would there be more community space for local communities in the surrounds suburbs? How much land acquisition is needed for this to go ahead
If a SkyRail idea was proposed, would the possibility of duplication between Outer Harbor and Osborne go ahead or would it stay the same?
Would the SkyRail keep the possibility of extending Harbor to the AUKUS submarine construction zone?

Let me know your thoughts?
Where else would grade separation of Adelaide's Rail network would be ideal? I believe grade separating between Glanville to Outer Harbor could happen with the SkyRail approach, and then rail under approaches for Croydon to St Clair due to the increase number of services with Port Dock. Maybe Rail under approach for Parafield, Salisbury and Smithfield.

Given that the corridor only sees a train every 30 minutes for most of the day, there really is no point grade separating any of those level crossings. The government should focus on high impact crossings like Brighton Road, Kings Road, Park Terrace and Cross Road.

Technically each crossing has 4 trains an hour (2x each way).

Your point still stands though. There are crossings on the network with more trains/cars that would be better to remove before these ones

[Eurostar]

Skyrail would be best between Smithfield Station and Munno Para Station as it will be quick to build and allow a new east-west road link (connecting Newton Boulevard to Karri Street and Main North Road).

[Nort]

A look at the concept of new development at Aldinga, but significantly, the location of the reserved rail corridor.

The rail extension, and any others under consideration, should be built in advance of new development.

Yep, doing so means that more development which takes advantage of the transport links will happen along the corridor.

[rev]

Just out of curiosity, how would grade separating and removing all the Level Crossings between Glanville and Outer Harbor work?

Would it be like Melbourne with SkyRail? Considering the proximity between stations and the number of Level Crossings?
How much of an impact would it be for local residents if a SkyRail idea was in place for that section? i.e would it block peoples view or would it beneficial in someway
How much would it cost to get it grade separated?
If it were grade separated, would there be more community space for local communities in the surrounds suburbs? How much land acquisition is needed for this to go ahead
If a SkyRail idea was proposed, would the possibility of duplication between Outer Harbor and Osborne go ahead or would it stay the same?
Would the SkyRail keep the possibility of extending Harbor to the AUKUS submarine construction zone?

Let me know your thoughts?
Where else would grade separation of Adelaide's Rail network would be ideal? I believe grade separating between Glanville to Outer Harbor could happen with the SkyRail approach, and then rail under approaches for Croydon to St Clair due to the increase number of services with Port Dock. Maybe Rail under approach for Parafield, Salisbury and Smithfield.

Given that the corridor only sees a train every 30 minutes for most of the day, there really is no point grade separating any of those level crossings. The government should focus on high impact crossings like Brighton Road, Kings Road, Park Terrace and Cross Road.

Even if the frequencies were higher I wouldn't think it would justify billions spent on elevated rail lines.
By sending roads under the train line like we have in a few locations already, its cheaper and if frequencies did increase we already have that grade separation.
IMHO at the moment it would be more about safety.

[ChillyPhilly]

For the OH and Grange lines it's probably worth looking at new/better pedestrian bridges and station access, along with modernised stations.

[rubberman]

For the OH and Grange lines it's probably worth looking at new/better pedestrian bridges and station access, along with modernised stations.

The traffic and crossing lights at Trimmer Parade and Tapleys Hill Road are very poorly coordinated.

The down train causes the boom gates to lower before it gets to Seaton Park. Then it stops at the station. All the while, traffic builds up. Given that trains always stop at Seaton Park, the down train signal and boom gate activation could wait till the train leaves the station. Obviously, up trains aren't affected.

Then, once a train has passed, it seems that the cycle resets to Tapleys Hill Road even if it was Trimmer Parade's "turn". It should just continue the existing sequence.