News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

[NTRabbit]

If they extend it that far , does the frequency of the Trains to day Noarlunga get impacted negatively?

Or would they do express past Noarlunga ?

'cos there's sooo many people living at Sellicks...

There weren’t that many people living at Seaford or Aldinga until they started building houses either.

Sensible to aim for a safeguarded corridor to Sellicks even if the railway will only go as far as Aldinga in the foreseeable future. Saves on the hassle and cost of pesky acquisitions when the time comes.

House prices at Sellicks are already pushing $700k, you have to get in now if you want to be able to afford the 2 hour commuter lifestyle by the time the train reaches there

[SBD]

'cos there's sooo many people living at Sellicks...

There weren’t that many people living at Seaford or Aldinga until they started building houses either.

Sensible to aim for a safeguarded corridor to Sellicks even if the railway will only go as far as Aldinga in the foreseeable future. Saves on the hassle and cost of pesky acquisitions when the time comes.

House prices at Sellicks are already pushing $700k, you have to get in now if you want to be able to afford the 2 hour commuter lifestyle by the time the train reaches there

If you don't want a two-hour commute, then either don't buy a house two hours from where you work, or don't apply for jobs two hours from where you live.

With all this urban sprawl, Noarlunga, Gawler and Mount Barker hospitals are going to need to grow. For the south, there are wineries around McLaren Vale who need vine workers, warehouse workers, lab techs etc. People are getting older all over the place, so aged care is growing, both in institutions and supporting people to live at home for longer. People need shops near where they live etc.

[Hooligan]

Good luck buying a house on a grape picker or care workers income.

[NTRabbit]

There weren’t that many people living at Seaford or Aldinga until they started building houses either.

Sensible to aim for a safeguarded corridor to Sellicks even if the railway will only go as far as Aldinga in the foreseeable future. Saves on the hassle and cost of pesky acquisitions when the time comes.

House prices at Sellicks are already pushing $700k, you have to get in now if you want to be able to afford the 2 hour commuter lifestyle by the time the train reaches there

If you don't want a two-hour commute, then either don't buy a house two hours from where you work, or don't apply for jobs two hours from where you live.

With all this urban sprawl, Noarlunga, Gawler and Mount Barker hospitals are going to need to grow. For the south, there are wineries around McLaren Vale who need vine workers, warehouse workers, lab techs etc. People are getting older all over the place, so aged care is growing, both in institutions and supporting people to live at home for longer. People need shops near where they live etc.

My dude, I work an office job in the CBD and I can't afford a house anywhere closer than that, the price of houses continues to fly through the roof.

Even the inner suburban two room dog boxes built 4 to what used to be one block are right on the edge.

Nobody working those jobs you suggest are going to be able to afford the places nearby, I can't even afford McLaren Vale now let alone after taking a 30% pay cut.

[Spotto]

House prices at Sellicks are already pushing $700k, you have to get in now if you want to be able to afford the 2 hour commuter lifestyle by the time the train reaches there

If you don't want a two-hour commute, then either don't buy a house two hours from where you work, or don't apply for jobs two hours from where you live.

With all this urban sprawl, Noarlunga, Gawler and Mount Barker hospitals are going to need to grow. For the south, there are wineries around McLaren Vale who need vine workers, warehouse workers, lab techs etc. People are getting older all over the place, so aged care is growing, both in institutions and supporting people to live at home for longer. People need shops near where they live etc.

My dude, I work an office job in the CBD and I can't afford a house anywhere closer than that, the price of houses continues to fly through the roof.

Even the inner suburban two room dog boxes built 4 to what used to be one block are right on the edge.

Nobody working those jobs you suggest are going to be able to afford the places nearby, I can't even afford McLaren Vale now let alone after taking a 30% pay cut.

This. SBD’s comment is giving a “just don’t be poor” vibe.

People are moving out to the sticks because it’s affordable. Even the Mount Barker area is getting in that upper price range now.

[rubberman]

If you don't want a two-hour commute, then either don't buy a house two hours from where you work, or don't apply for jobs two hours from where you live.

With all this urban sprawl, Noarlunga, Gawler and Mount Barker hospitals are going to need to grow. For the south, there are wineries around McLaren Vale who need vine workers, warehouse workers, lab techs etc. People are getting older all over the place, so aged care is growing, both in institutions and supporting people to live at home for longer. People need shops near where they live etc.

My dude, I work an office job in the CBD and I can't afford a house anywhere closer than that, the price of houses continues to fly through the roof.

Even the inner suburban two room dog boxes built 4 to what used to be one block are right on the edge.

Nobody working those jobs you suggest are going to be able to afford the places nearby, I can't even afford McLaren Vale now let alone after taking a 30% pay cut.

This. SBD’s comment is giving a “just don’t be poor” vibe.

People are moving out to the sticks because it’s affordable. Even the Mount Barker area is getting in that upper price range now.

I rather read SBD's comment as meaning that since the suburbs are stretching out there that government needs to be fostering local employment so that fewer people have to commute to the CBD.

If people insist on low density housing rather than apartment living (like much of the Western world), and they insist that if they are to be tempted to public transport, then they refuse to transfer and drive cars instead, and they refuse to countenance tax increases to pay for the infrastructure required, there's very little else governments can do.

With those constraints, almost everything is a bandaid. Infill will help, but most people won't want those infill apartments long term. Government encouragement will also help, but it's hardly likely to soak up enough employment. Public transport with no transfers is not possible without huge infrastructure costs because of the low housing concentration...people won't pay more tax. More freeways?

[Benm16]

I think a big issue is the Australian mindset of a big house. So many people saying they can’t afford a house and are having to look out to the outer suburbs when there are units and apartments closer to the city that are much more affordable. We as young people, do we really need a four bedroom house with 2 living areas and 2 bathrooms when it’s most likely just for two people? I’d say no. For some reason most Australians want this big house dream but in reality it’s not we actually need and has been such a big factor in the urban sprawl that we see today. We need more variety when it comes to housing. We need to scale down the sizes of our houses. We need to have a look at ourselves and ask, do I really need 4 bedrooms etc. We need denser housing so we aren’t forcing people to live a 2 hour commute from work. We need to recognize the way we view housing and the greed that seems to come with it. We need to look at how European cities are working and adopt those ideas and stop following the Americanization of cities. We also need to build more attractive dense areas. Places like lightsview are not the solution. They are soulless and lack street activation and thus a desire to stay in these areas. Once again we need to see how other cities make dense areas attractive and desirable.

[abc]

I think a big issue is the Australian mindset of a big house. So many people saying they can’t afford a house and are having to look out to the outer suburbs when there are units and apartments closer to the city that are much more affordable. We as young people, do we really need a four bedroom house with 2 living areas and 2 bathrooms when it’s most likely just for two people? I’d say no. For some reason most Australians want this big house dream but in reality it’s not we actually need and has been such a big factor in the urban sprawl that we see today. We need more variety when it comes to housing. We need to scale down the sizes of our houses. We need to have a look at ourselves and ask, do I really need 4 bedrooms etc. We need denser housing so we aren’t forcing people to live a 2 hour commute from work. We need to recognize the way we view housing and the greed that seems to come with it. We need to look at how European cities are working and adopt those ideas and stop following the Americanization of cities. We also need to build more attractive dense areas. Places like lightsview are not the solution. They are soulless and lack street activation and thus a desire to stay in these areas. Once again we need to see how other cities make dense areas attractive and desirable.

there's another thread for this topic
viewtopic.php?t=7373

what we need is a housing trust and for the government to build houses before raising immigration levels

[SBD]

It looks like I tossed a grenade into this thread last weekend, then stepped back. That wasn't my intent.

This is the trains thread. Adelaide's train network currently is set up to move people in and out of the CBD for 9-5ish jobs, so that's what people do from those outer suburbs near the train lines. It hasn't always been that way.

We used to have trains that transported people to suburban industrial sites, with timetables to support the industry.

Places I can think of off hand that used to employ large numbers of people and used to be served by train include:

• Gepps Cross abattoir
• Chrysler/Mitsubishi at Tonsley/Clovelly Park
• Holden at Elizabeth
• DSTG/DSTO/DRCS/WRE/bomb factory, Edinburgh airbase and BAE Systems on the Penfield Line
• munitions factories and later SABCo, Philips and other factories on the Hendon and Finsbury lines
• Port Stanvac
• Bowden gasworks

Many of these also used the railways to transport their materials in and products out. That doesn't happen at all any more.

Some of these have closed for other reasons, some replaced by automation, some moved further out of town, but we no longer have industrial trains to any of these places. Besides the trains they all were also suburban employment centres. Some still are (maybe in different industries), but served by cars. Some have been replaced by residential living, with less employment nearby.

There's vacant industrial land in Elizabeth South under a current proposal to rezone it to residential. I think it would be too far to have walked from the railway stations, which might be why it was never developed when there was industrial land closer to railways.

I spent most of my career working with many other tertiary-qualified colleagues in a suburban workplace, 20 minutes drive from my suburban home. As the industrial climate changed, there are far fewer trade and other staff in that area, which is probably why the railway service closed.

[baytram366]

It looks like I tossed a grenade into this thread last weekend, then stepped back. That wasn't my intent.

This is the trains thread. Adelaide's train network currently is set up to move people in and out of the CBD for 9-5ish jobs, so that's what people do from those outer suburbs near the train lines. It hasn't always been that way.

We used to have trains that transported people to suburban industrial sites, with timetables to support the industry.

Places I can think of off hand that used to employ large numbers of people and used to be served by train include:

• Gepps Cross abattoir
• Chrysler/Mitsubishi at Tonsley/Clovelly Park
• Holden at Elizabeth
• DSTG/DSTO/DRCS/WRE/bomb factory, Edinburgh airbase and BAE Systems on the Penfield Line
• munitions factories and later SABCo, Philips and other factories on the Hendon and Finsbury lines
• Port Stanvac
• Bowden gasworks

Many of these also used the railways to transport their materials in and products out. That doesn't happen at all any more.

Some of these have closed for other reasons, some replaced by automation, some moved further out of town, but we no longer have industrial trains to any of these places. Besides the trains they all were also suburban employment centres. Some still are (maybe in different industries), but served by cars. Some have been replaced by residential living, with less employment nearby.

There's vacant industrial land in Elizabeth South under a current proposal to rezone it to residential. I think it would be too far to have walked from the railway stations, which might be why it was never developed when there was industrial land closer to railways.

I spent most of my career working with many other tertiary-qualified colleagues in a suburban workplace, 20 minutes drive from my suburban home. As the industrial climate changed, there are far fewer trade and other staff in that area, which is probably why the railway service closed.

Interesting list. I also note that a lot of these large industrial employers also set up their own housing estates very close to the place of work - such as Port Stanvac. Mobil built a lot of housing on the southern site of the refinery for their employees and their families. Bowden was similar with a lot of gas works employees already living or moved to the area to work there and lived in modest 2 bedroom cottages. I wonder if this is something we will ever see again - purpose built estates for large factories / employment.

[SBD]

It looks like I tossed a grenade into this thread last weekend, then stepped back. That wasn't my intent.

This is the trains thread. Adelaide's train network currently is set up to move people in and out of the CBD for 9-5ish jobs, so that's what people do from those outer suburbs near the train lines. It hasn't always been that way.

We used to have trains that transported people to suburban industrial sites, with timetables to support the industry.

Places I can think of off hand that used to employ large numbers of people and used to be served by train include:

• Gepps Cross abattoir
• Chrysler/Mitsubishi at Tonsley/Clovelly Park
• Holden at Elizabeth
• DSTG/DSTO/DRCS/WRE/bomb factory, Edinburgh airbase and BAE Systems on the Penfield Line
• munitions factories and later SABCo, Philips and other factories on the Hendon and Finsbury lines
• Port Stanvac
• Bowden gasworks

Many of these also used the railways to transport their materials in and products out. That doesn't happen at all any more.

Some of these have closed for other reasons, some replaced by automation, some moved further out of town, but we no longer have industrial trains to any of these places. Besides the trains they all were also suburban employment centres. Some still are (maybe in different industries), but served by cars. Some have been replaced by residential living, with less employment nearby.

There's vacant industrial land in Elizabeth South under a current proposal to rezone it to residential. I think it would be too far to have walked from the railway stations, which might be why it was never developed when there was industrial land closer to railways.

I spent most of my career working with many other tertiary-qualified colleagues in a suburban workplace, 20 minutes drive from my suburban home. As the industrial climate changed, there are far fewer trade and other staff in that area, which is probably why the railway service closed.

Interesting list. I also note that a lot of these large industrial employers also set up their own housing estates very close to the place of work - such as Port Stanvac. Mobil built a lot of housing on the southern site of the refinery for their employees and their families. Bowden was similar with a lot of gas works employees already living or moved to the area to work there and lived in modest 2 bedroom cottages. I wonder if this is something we will ever see again - purpose built estates for large factories / employment.

A couple of years ago, a potato company moved its main operation from Virginia to Parilla near Pinnaroo. Part of the process included upgrading a 40-person backpacker hostel and building 27 houses!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022- ... /101659074