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Spotto wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:46 pm

abc wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2024 12:05 pm

Waewick wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:07 am

If they extend it that far , does the frequency of the Trains to day Noarlunga get impacted negatively?

Or would they do express past Noarlunga ?

'cos there's sooo many people living at Sellicks...

There weren’t that many people living at Seaford or Aldinga until they started building houses either.

Sensible to aim for a safeguarded corridor to Sellicks even if the railway will only go as far as Aldinga in the foreseeable future. Saves on the hassle and cost of pesky acquisitions when the time comes.

NTRabbit wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:34 pm

Spotto wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:46 pm

abc wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2024 12:05 pm

'cos there's sooo many people living at Sellicks...

There weren’t that many people living at Seaford or Aldinga until they started building houses either.

Sensible to aim for a safeguarded corridor to Sellicks even if the railway will only go as far as Aldinga in the foreseeable future. Saves on the hassle and cost of pesky acquisitions when the time comes.

House prices at Sellicks are already pushing $700k, you have to get in now if you want to be able to afford the 2 hour commuter lifestyle by the time the train reaches there

SBD wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:00 pm

NTRabbit wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:34 pm

Spotto wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:46 pm

There weren’t that many people living at Seaford or Aldinga until they started building houses either.

Sensible to aim for a safeguarded corridor to Sellicks even if the railway will only go as far as Aldinga in the foreseeable future. Saves on the hassle and cost of pesky acquisitions when the time comes.

House prices at Sellicks are already pushing $700k, you have to get in now if you want to be able to afford the 2 hour commuter lifestyle by the time the train reaches there

If you don't want a two-hour commute, then either don't buy a house two hours from where you work, or don't apply for jobs two hours from where you live.

With all this urban sprawl, Noarlunga, Gawler and Mount Barker hospitals are going to need to grow. For the south, there are wineries around McLaren Vale who need vine workers, warehouse workers, lab techs etc. People are getting older all over the place, so aged care is growing, both in institutions and supporting people to live at home for longer. People need shops near where they live etc.

NTRabbit wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:45 pm

SBD wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:00 pm

NTRabbit wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:34 pm

House prices at Sellicks are already pushing $700k, you have to get in now if you want to be able to afford the 2 hour commuter lifestyle by the time the train reaches there

If you don't want a two-hour commute, then either don't buy a house two hours from where you work, or don't apply for jobs two hours from where you live.

With all this urban sprawl, Noarlunga, Gawler and Mount Barker hospitals are going to need to grow. For the south, there are wineries around McLaren Vale who need vine workers, warehouse workers, lab techs etc. People are getting older all over the place, so aged care is growing, both in institutions and supporting people to live at home for longer. People need shops near where they live etc.

My dude, I work an office job in the CBD and I can't afford a house anywhere closer than that, the price of houses continues to fly through the roof.

Even the inner suburban two room dog boxes built 4 to what used to be one block are right on the edge.

Nobody working those jobs you suggest are going to be able to afford the places nearby, I can't even afford McLaren Vale now let alone after taking a 30% pay cut.

Spotto wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:21 pm

NTRabbit wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:45 pm

SBD wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:00 pm

If you don't want a two-hour commute, then either don't buy a house two hours from where you work, or don't apply for jobs two hours from where you live.

With all this urban sprawl, Noarlunga, Gawler and Mount Barker hospitals are going to need to grow. For the south, there are wineries around McLaren Vale who need vine workers, warehouse workers, lab techs etc. People are getting older all over the place, so aged care is growing, both in institutions and supporting people to live at home for longer. People need shops near where they live etc.

My dude, I work an office job in the CBD and I can't afford a house anywhere closer than that, the price of houses continues to fly through the roof.

Even the inner suburban two room dog boxes built 4 to what used to be one block are right on the edge.

Nobody working those jobs you suggest are going to be able to afford the places nearby, I can't even afford McLaren Vale now let alone after taking a 30% pay cut.

This. SBD’s comment is giving a “just don’t be poor” vibe.

People are moving out to the sticks because it’s affordable. Even the Mount Barker area is getting in that upper price range now.

Benm16 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:26 pm

I think a big issue is the Australian mindset of a big house. So many people saying they can’t afford a house and are having to look out to the outer suburbs when there are units and apartments closer to the city that are much more affordable. We as young people, do we really need a four bedroom house with 2 living areas and 2 bathrooms when it’s most likely just for two people? I’d say no. For some reason most Australians want this big house dream but in reality it’s not we actually need and has been such a big factor in the urban sprawl that we see today. We need more variety when it comes to housing. We need to scale down the sizes of our houses. We need to have a look at ourselves and ask, do I really need 4 bedrooms etc. We need denser housing so we aren’t forcing people to live a 2 hour commute from work. We need to recognize the way we view housing and the greed that seems to come with it. We need to look at how European cities are working and adopt those ideas and stop following the Americanization of cities. We also need to build more attractive dense areas. Places like lightsview are not the solution. They are soulless and lack street activation and thus a desire to stay in these areas. Once again we need to see how other cities make dense areas attractive and desirable.

• Gepps Cross abattoir
• Chrysler/Mitsubishi at Tonsley/Clovelly Park
• Holden at Elizabeth
• DSTG/DSTO/DRCS/WRE/bomb factory, Edinburgh airbase and BAE Systems on the Penfield Line
• munitions factories and later SABCo, Philips and other factories on the Hendon and Finsbury lines
• Port Stanvac
• Bowden gasworks

SBD wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 09, 2024 10:46 am

It looks like I tossed a grenade into this thread last weekend, then stepped back. That wasn't my intent.

This is the trains thread. Adelaide's train network currently is set up to move people in and out of the CBD for 9-5ish jobs, so that's what people do from those outer suburbs near the train lines. It hasn't always been that way.

We used to have trains that transported people to suburban industrial sites, with timetables to support the industry.

Places I can think of off hand that used to employ large numbers of people and used to be served by train include:

• Gepps Cross abattoir
• Chrysler/Mitsubishi at Tonsley/Clovelly Park
• Holden at Elizabeth
• DSTG/DSTO/DRCS/WRE/bomb factory, Edinburgh airbase and BAE Systems on the Penfield Line
• munitions factories and later SABCo, Philips and other factories on the Hendon and Finsbury lines
• Port Stanvac
• Bowden gasworks

Many of these also used the railways to transport their materials in and products out. That doesn't happen at all any more.

Some of these have closed for other reasons, some replaced by automation, some moved further out of town, but we no longer have industrial trains to any of these places. Besides the trains they all were also suburban employment centres. Some still are (maybe in different industries), but served by cars. Some have been replaced by residential living, with less employment nearby.

There's vacant industrial land in Elizabeth South under a current proposal to rezone it to residential. I think it would be too far to have walked from the railway stations, which might be why it was never developed when there was industrial land closer to railways.

I spent most of my career working with many other tertiary-qualified colleagues in a suburban workplace, 20 minutes drive from my suburban home. As the industrial climate changed, there are far fewer trade and other staff in that area, which is probably why the railway service closed.

baytram366 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:26 am

SBD wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 09, 2024 10:46 am

It looks like I tossed a grenade into this thread last weekend, then stepped back. That wasn't my intent.

This is the trains thread. Adelaide's train network currently is set up to move people in and out of the CBD for 9-5ish jobs, so that's what people do from those outer suburbs near the train lines. It hasn't always been that way.

We used to have trains that transported people to suburban industrial sites, with timetables to support the industry.

Places I can think of off hand that used to employ large numbers of people and used to be served by train include:

• Gepps Cross abattoir
• Chrysler/Mitsubishi at Tonsley/Clovelly Park
• Holden at Elizabeth
• DSTG/DSTO/DRCS/WRE/bomb factory, Edinburgh airbase and BAE Systems on the Penfield Line
• munitions factories and later SABCo, Philips and other factories on the Hendon and Finsbury lines
• Port Stanvac
• Bowden gasworks

Many of these also used the railways to transport their materials in and products out. That doesn't happen at all any more.

Some of these have closed for other reasons, some replaced by automation, some moved further out of town, but we no longer have industrial trains to any of these places. Besides the trains they all were also suburban employment centres. Some still are (maybe in different industries), but served by cars. Some have been replaced by residential living, with less employment nearby.

There's vacant industrial land in Elizabeth South under a current proposal to rezone it to residential. I think it would be too far to have walked from the railway stations, which might be why it was never developed when there was industrial land closer to railways.

I spent most of my career working with many other tertiary-qualified colleagues in a suburban workplace, 20 minutes drive from my suburban home. As the industrial climate changed, there are far fewer trade and other staff in that area, which is probably why the railway service closed.

Interesting list. I also note that a lot of these large industrial employers also set up their own housing estates very close to the place of work - such as Port Stanvac. Mobil built a lot of housing on the southern site of the refinery for their employees and their families. Bowden was similar with a lot of gas works employees already living or moved to the area to work there and lived in modest 2 bedroom cottages. I wonder if this is something we will ever see again - purpose built estates for large factories / employment.