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Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:46 pm
by Wayno
Now is not the time to annoy mining companies

I typically like the Greens, and agree 3.5% for mining royalties is a bit slim, but the timing of this proposal is woeful. Get the open-cut ODX up and running, then increase the royalty rate.

4 days til the ODX EIS is released!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009 ... n=business
Greens MP Mark Parnell says BHP Billiton should be paying higher royalties for its Olympic Dam mine in outback South Australia.

Mr Parnell says South Australia is earning a 3.5 per cent royalty from the mine, but a rate of 10 per cent is paid in Queensland, for example.

He says the SA rate should be doubled and the money put into a future fund, especially as the company plans to expand the gold, copper and uranium mine.

"Now with this proposed Olympic Dam expansion it's a non renewable resource, we need to make sure that the South Australian community gets a decent return for this investment if in fact it is to go ahead," he said.

"The best time for us as a community to negotiate with BHP Billiton is before the approvals have been granted.

"Once they've been given approval to expand their mine it'll be too late to then turn around and say 'By the way, can we have higher royalties?'"

Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:50 pm
by SRW
Wayno wrote: I typically like the Greens, and agree 3.5% for mining royalties is a bit slim, but the timing of this proposal is woeful. Get the open-cut ODX up and running, then increase the royalty rate.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009 ... n=business
"Once they've been given approval to expand their mine it'll be too late to then turn around and say 'By the way, can we have higher royalties?'"
Perhaps that's why? I haven't the time to look up the relevant information, but does anyone know off the top of their head if royalty rates can be changed post-approval?

Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:52 am
by Wayno
SRW wrote:
"Once they've been given approval to expand their mine it'll be too late to then turn around and say 'By the way, can we have higher royalties?'"
Perhaps that's why? I haven't the time to look up the relevant information, but does anyone know off the top of their head if royalty rates can be changed post-approval?
could be, but it's just another govt tax - which as we know can typically change at any time...

Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:06 am
by Howie

Olympic Dam ready for public comment

Article from: The Advertiser

CHRIS RUSSELL

May 01, 2009 12:01am

THE public will be able to comment on the South Australian economy's biggest project, the expansion of the Olympic Dam mine, from today.

BHP Billiton will release its long-awaited environmental and economic impact statement on the multi-billion dollar project at 3pm.

The statement is the company's blueprint on how it intends to proceed with expanding the copper, uranium and gold mine at Roxby Downs and how this will transform the state.

At more than 4000 pages, Olympic Dam Expansion: Draft Environmental Impact Statement 2009 is the biggest EIS ever undertaken.

READ THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT FIRST ON ADELAIDENOW.COM.AU

Public comment will be invited by the Urban Development and Planning Department from today until August 7 – a longer consultation period than normal.

Public forums with government and BHP Billiton representatives will be held in Adelaide, Whyalla, Port Augusta, Roxby Downs, Alice Springs and Darwin from May 25 to June 5.

Copies of the EIS can be purchased from the planning department and selected local council offices at $50 for the two-volume statement and $300 for the two volumes plus a full set of appendices.

BHP Billiton will donate proceeds to charity.

Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:56 am
by Wayno
Be ready for the onslaught of Environmentalists voicing their concerns about the ODX expansion :roll:

ODX is simply a big hole in the ground, and far far away from any water supplies to worry about ground discharge. I'm sure "dangerous radioactive material" stories will be front page of the Advertiser for a few weeks too...

Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 11:34 am
by Prince George
Howie wrote:
READ THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT FIRST ON ADELAIDENOW.COM.AU
Oh, please tell me that there's a comment forum on AdelaideNow for this EIS, that's where the real debate will be :)

Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 11:37 am
by Howie
How about we beat them to it by posting it first :D

Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:31 pm
by UrbanSG
It's HUGE..... there's too much to post :D

http://www.bhpbilliton.com/bb/odxEis/do ... uments.jsp

Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:23 pm
by Wayno
UrbanSG wrote:It's HUGE..... there's too much to post :D

http://www.bhpbilliton.com/bb/odxEis/do ... uments.jsp
damn! even the exec summary is 60pages - well there goes my weekend...

Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:53 pm
by Wayno
ODX Factoid - World Demand

I'm going to drip feed interesting factoids from the ODX EIS as i read it.

World demand for copper and uranium are 2 key reasons why the ODX expansion will most likely start in 2010 soon after all approvals are gained:
  • * Copper - 35 additional mines the size of ODX are required to meet world copper demand by 2018 (ODX will be the 4th largest copper mine in the world)
    * Uranium - 13 additional mines the size of ODX are required to meet world uranium demand by 2030 (ODX will be the worlds largest uranium mine by a factor of 4)
Wowza!

Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 5:59 pm
by Wayno
ODX Factoid - $7b Economic Contribution to SA

An expanded ODX operation will increase SA's economic performance by 9%. It's contribution to the State Economy (aka GSP - Gross State Product) will increase from $1.7b to $7b annually (based on cost of living today).
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This annual $7b figure is interesting. Only $0.25b comes direct from the mine (royalties and employees paying their income taxes). The remainder of the benefit is therefore from direct and indirect associated industries (e.g. local SA companies provide BHP with equipment, employees spending their income, creates jobs for real-estate agents/cafes/butchers/bakers/candle makers/etc, who in turn buy/sell/consume...)

Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:30 pm
by Wayno
ODX Factoid - Radiation Levels

I suspect the alarmists will soon run this one up the flagpole. Watch AdelaideNow salute the fastest! :lol:

International radiation guidelines require exposure to no more than 20mSv (millisieverts) of radiation per annum. BHP states that front-line ODX employees will receive less than 3.5mSV per year (1/6th of the international guideline). Keep this fact is your back pocket should you encounter any uranium alarmists!

Some more facts about uranium.
* If you lived for 80years and only ever used nuclear powered electricity then the waste produced (needing to be buried/stored from your personal consumption) would be about the size of a bottlecap.

* The per annum nuclear waste from Australia (if we were 100% fueled by nuclear reactors) would be about the size of a car, and that includes the thick-thick-thick walls of a protective enclosure. Now, think about the size of your local car wrecking yard - that would be the equivalent of several hundred years of nuclear operation here in australia...

* Only about 3% of the "nuclear energy" in a fuel rod is actually consumed in a reactor. Scare-mongers will say this means 97% of the radiation remains and needs to be worried about forever. In fact, the highly dangerous portion of each rod is consumed in that 3%. Any volatilily remaining in each rod has a half-life of a few weeks only, so by the time it's buried we are talking very low low radiation levels. Harldy worth panicking about. Again the concern is mostly about the media selling newspapers...

CO2 Sequestration - As a comparison
As a comparison, the Fed Govt is trying (cough - ahem, failing) to sell the concept that they can save the planet by continuing to mine coal en-masse and pump billions of litres of gas waaay underground - and magically keep it there forever! :lol: yeah, right - like gas won't leak out somewhere/somehow. I'll run nude down Rundle Mall at midday on a saturday if this technology ever works! and yes - not a pretty sight...

Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 11:48 pm
by monotonehell
Wayno wrote:...CO2 Sequestration - As a comparison
As a comparison, the Fed Govt is trying (cough - ahem, failing) to sell the concept that they can save the planet by continuing to mine coal en-masse and pump billions of litres of gas waaay underground - and magically keep it there forever! :lol: yeah, right - like gas won't leak out somewhere/somehow. I'll run nude down Rundle Mall at midday on a saturday if this technology ever works! and yes - not a pretty sight...
Sequestration is the biggest load of hooey ever. The amount of energy it would take to get the CO2 back to where it can be sequestered alone would take a huge chunk from the energy made burning the coal.

We really need to look elsewhere. There's loads of solar related and geothermal energy flipping about the country. That would augment a nuclear power industry reasonably well. We don't need to put all our eggs in one basket, as is said.

Solar thermal collector powered desalination plants anyone?

Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 11:52 am
by Wayno
ODX Factoid - Environmental Concerns

Apparently the EIS is about the environment, so here's some snippets:

The big issues
  • * Desalination - i'm expecting an ongoing stink about this. A large-ish desal plant in the upper regions of the gulf, and near a bunch of cuttlefish. No desal = no mine!!
    * Electricity usage & CO2 emissions - ODX already uses 10% of SA's baseload energy, this will increase to 50% over time. Expect BHP to be under intense pressure to use environmentally friendly sources for their electricity (wind, thermal, wave, etc). Counter-intuitively, this could really push SA to the forefront in carbon-free electricity generation
Smaller issues
  • * Dirt & Dust - ODX will need special measures to avoid dust storms pushing into NSW & Victoria. The solution will mainly involve the use of water (not sure if it needs to be desalinated water for this purpose?)
    * Radiation - see my post above, not a big deal...
    * Native Flora & Fauna - again not a big deal, but they need to tick this box

Re: #Official Mining Thread

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 7:26 am
by rhino
Wayno,

Thankyou for the drip feed. Most of us don't have the time to read the EIS, so your efforts are appreciated.

Big thumbs up!