News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

[rev]

Very interesting read here regarding many infrastructure projects including an underground rail loop through the CBD with a 05 year planning deadline and 5-10 year delivery deadline!

https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/ou ... 5-Strategy

Great to read that somewhere in our state there is a government body actually considering these prospects seriously. An underground service would not only allow for the potential return certain region services at ARS (cost permitted) but would be good to see perhaps the Adelaide Bus Terminal integrated into the ARS somehow, be it using vacated platform spaces once and underground is built or finding a way to integrate it into Station Road.

Where would you get buses in/out from without some serious reconfiguration of the area in general?
Will the larger interstate buses fit in there comfortably?

Wouldn't it be better to just build an underground station at the existing bus terminal? And allow the freed up platforms in ARS to be used for an expanded rail network that they're also looking into?

[Spotto]

Very interesting read here regarding many infrastructure projects including an underground rail loop through the CBD with a 05 year planning deadline and 5-10 year delivery deadline!

https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/ou ... 5-Strategy

Great to read that somewhere in our state there is a government body actually considering these prospects seriously. An underground service would not only allow for the potential return certain region services at ARS (cost permitted) but would be good to see perhaps the Adelaide Bus Terminal integrated into the ARS somehow, be it using vacated platform spaces once and underground is built or finding a way to integrate it into Station Road.

I would hope that if an underground rail link is built that no more platforms are removed from ARS. The newly created capacity can be used to increase frequency on existing lines and expand to new destinations.

[MT269]

Speaking of Gawler. If the line had it's timetable updated, it would be possible to do an entire trip in about 51-53 minutes, instead of 60. But it seems like a revised timetable is not on the cards. But this may not happen until 2040 assuming it occurs at all. No point voting for these slobs, for near nothing in return.

I was thinking of possible connections for every train at ARS. Previously, every service except Belair and Gawler arrived before XX48 on the hour. Now it's a complete mess due to initially poor position of loops on the Belair line, and the 2 trains per hour. But personally, I haven't caught any of the hybrids railcars or Scanias. With no Comengs railcars left, it looks like just electrified lines left for meself.

[Hooligan]

How long has the current gawler timetable been in service? It feels like it’s been this way since like 2010.

[SouthAussie94]

How long has the current gawler timetable been in service? It feels like it’s been this way since like 2010.

The 15/30 skip/stop pattern was in use in 2013. As to when it actually started, unsure.

[PD2/20]

How long has the current gawler timetable been in service? It feels like it’s been this way since like 2010.

The 15/30 skip/stop pattern was in use in 2013. As to when it actually started, unsure.

The skip/stop pattern was introduced on April 27, 2008. Prior to that there were regular short workings to Dry Creek or Salisbury.

[Hooligan]

17 years without a change is insane

[SouthAussie94]

Particularly with the line being electrified. If the diesels could comfortably run the service, what was the point in electrification if there isn't a corresponding increase in service?

[rubberman]

Particularly with the line being electrified. If the diesels could comfortably run the service, what was the point in electrification if there isn't a corresponding increase in service?

Exactly. And surely this is something a competent Opposition could bring up and hammer a government for?

And something a competent Government would address before an Opposition could think about it?

And shouldn't the Greens be all over it?

There's room for both Government and Opposition, as well as the Greens to lift their game here. This is a pretty low bar.

[Modbury_Man]

Particularly with the line being electrified. If the diesels could comfortably run the service, what was the point in electrification if there isn't a corresponding increase in service?

Exactly. And surely this is something a competent Opposition could bring up and hammer a government for?

And something a competent Government would address before an Opposition could think about it?

And shouldn't the Greens be all over it?

There's room for both Government and Opposition, as well as the Greens to lift their game here. This is a pretty low bar.

Likewise many bus timetables haven't been changed in many years, despite population growth and changing travel patterns. Besides the extra Mt Barker services, the new 206 Northgate service and the 566 Golden Grove - Mawson Lakes service, I don't think there has been an increase in bus service levels since around 2012...the Marshall Government cut some services in 2019 which haven't been restored either - https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... 638d859d99

Detailed list here - https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/8BsPq/2/

[dbl96]

Likewise many bus timetables haven't been changed in many years, despite population growth and changing travel patterns. Besides the extra Mt Barker services, the new 206 Northgate service and the 566 Golden Grove - Mawson Lakes service, I don't think there has been an increase in bus service levels since around 2012...the Marshall Government cut some services in 2019 which haven't been restored either - https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... 638d859d99

Detailed list here - https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/8BsPq/2/

The Marshall government planned to do a major overhaul of the timetables and routes which would have generally improved things quite a bit. The plan was for 10 minute go-zones along all the major corridors. It got howled down because it would have seen some more infrequent routes axed.

[rubberman]

Likewise many bus timetables haven't been changed in many years, despite population growth and changing travel patterns. Besides the extra Mt Barker services, the new 206 Northgate service and the 566 Golden Grove - Mawson Lakes service, I don't think there has been an increase in bus service levels since around 2012...the Marshall Government cut some services in 2019 which haven't been restored either - https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... 638d859d99

Detailed list here - https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/8BsPq/2/

The Marshall government planned to do a major overhaul of the timetables and routes which would have generally improved things quite a bit. The plan was for 10 minute go-zones along all the major corridors. It got howled down because it would have seen some more infrequent routes axed.

The Liberals seemed to be very good at tactics, but overwhelmingly bad at strategy. It might have been a good
short term tactic to abandon those changes, but strategically, a better overall system would have benefited them at the next election. It was a similar case with the city circle tram route, and the stadium in the park lands. Each of which was tactically ok, but strategically made no sense.

In the case of the tram, the Liberal proposal negated the Labor proposal - great tactic. However, it meant that at the next election, it was an unkept promise that could have been the difference between Rachel Sanderson winning and losing.

The stadium was $500m...and further alienated Adelaide constituents. That $500m could have done a whole lot more in marginal electorates.

The list goes on.

[Norman]

Likewise many bus timetables haven't been changed in many years, despite population growth and changing travel patterns. Besides the extra Mt Barker services, the new 206 Northgate service and the 566 Golden Grove - Mawson Lakes service, I don't think there has been an increase in bus service levels since around 2012...the Marshall Government cut some services in 2019 which haven't been restored either - https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... 638d859d99

Detailed list here - https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/8BsPq/2/

The Marshall government planned to do a major overhaul of the timetables and routes which would have generally improved things quite a bit. The plan was for 10 minute go-zones along all the major corridors. It got howled down because it would have seen some more infrequent routes axed.

The changes weren't that big, there was an overhaul in route numbers and some routes became Go Zones, but they were still every 15 minutes.

What Adelaide really needs is the underground city connection, which would allow the trains to reach more parts of the city. Then you can start making some of the bus routes feeder buses, because commuters don't need to worry about catching another bus or tram once they arrive in the city.

[NTRabbit]

The Marshall Plan for buses had a very large and very negative impact on the southern suburbs, as a resident of said southern suburbs I'm glad they didn't get up. The lynchpin of their plan was getting everyone citybound to go intermodal on the Flinders line, without putting a bus interchange within acceptable walking distance of Flinders station, without ackowledging the people who worked in the southern quarters of the CBD and needed to get off sooner than Adelaide Central, and without increasing the frequency of the Flinders line from once every 30 minutes, it added 30-45 minutes to the daily trip each way and was completely unworkable.

[MT269]

The proposal was a turd coated in tomato sauce served to anyone who supports LNP that uses PT as well. Maybe 60-75% of services cut. Complete con out of desperation to minimise public transport operating costs.

Note that there were still over 70 high floor buses in service at the time. This would have made a contribution. The proposal would've seen all MANs withdrawn overnight. The newest one that's still in service dates from 12/2003. Oldest from 2nd quarter of 2000.