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#691 Post by AtD » Sun May 16, 2010 8:12 pm

Talk about verbose. Victoria Square is on the intersection of King William and Grote? Gee, tell us more!

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#692 Post by SRW » Sun May 16, 2010 8:29 pm

Paris wrote:Crucial to the design, I believe; King William Street should be restored as the thoroughfare it once was - running directly through the Square. From there, the potential is unlimited. This opens up the opportunity for street frontages to be activated, allowing users to spill out directly onto the square, then onto oncoming traffic.
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#693 Post by iTouch » Sun May 16, 2010 10:10 pm

how about making it an open night club. That'd bring life back into it.
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#694 Post by jk1237 » Sun May 16, 2010 10:28 pm

what was all that stuff about Lights vision. The squares have been evolving and have changed their format many times since 1836. However, we are now in 2010 and its time for a revamp based on people over a major traffic thoroughfare

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#695 Post by Paris » Sun May 16, 2010 11:11 pm

SRW wrote:
Paris wrote:Crucial to the design, I believe; King William Street should be restored as the thoroughfare it once was - running directly through the Square. From there, the potential is unlimited. This opens up the opportunity for street frontages to be activated, allowing users to spill out directly onto the square, then onto oncoming traffic.
How splendid.
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That was meant to read "..rather then onto oncoming traffic.."

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#696 Post by yousername » Sun May 16, 2010 11:28 pm

AtD wrote:Talk about verbose. Victoria Square is on the intersection of King William and Grote? Gee, tell us more!
Calm down, the guy/girl obviously put a lot of time into writing their ideas down.
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#697 Post by rubegoldbergdevice » Mon May 17, 2010 12:12 am

yousername wrote:This city has long been called backwater - and although it helps - it certainly isn't going to bring tourists or much foot traffic to the area.
That's the Adelaide imagination and enthusiasm I'm used to! None whatsoever. Woohoo!

Based on what? Back to the loch with you Nessie. And whoever it was espousing reopening KW Street through the centre, meet me outside in ten minutes. I've been drinkin!

Evidently this thread has suddenly been invaded by fucktards who've only been to Murray Bridge. Try the Flinders Ranges as well. They're in the same state, so you won't have too many cultural challenges there and they really are magical.

Jesus Homunculus Christ.

Paris, thanks for the considered essay. But I defy you or ANYONE anywhere to prove to me what exactly Light's/Kingston's vision for Victoria Sq ACTUALLY was. If we look at the earliest documents (those remaining after his unfortunate house fire), Grote/Wakefield St should be an integral part of the square. It clearly crosses it. Do we stick to that slavishly, even though neither of these gentlemen foresaw the advent of the internal combustion engine or the traffic light? And there was that whole question about an Anglican cathedral in the middle there. Should we perhaps be consulting them about this? There's you're City of Churches iconic building :P

If the design of Adelaide is failing, maybe it was a design flaw? Just sayin. Col. Light is the only bit of folklore that Adelaide has and I'm all for maintaining the myth, but not to the point of being retarded. Like I said earlier, the major flaw in the design is that it was conceived on a ridiculously optimistic scale (Light was the quintessential Romantic and if it was Kingston, the quintessential amateur).

THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT'S GONNA GET PEOPLE. Get excited that at least when it's done, you'll probably go there just out of curiosity. After that, I guarantee you'll go there again, just because you can.

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#698 Post by yousername » Mon May 17, 2010 12:17 am

rubegoldbergdevice wrote: That's the Adelaide imagination and enthusiasm I'm used to! None whatsoever. Woohoo!

Based on what? Back to the loch with you Nessie. And whoever it was espousing reopening KW Street through the centre, meet me outside in ten minutes. I've been drinkin!
I wasn't saying that is my opinion! I'm just saying that's the view of many interstaters. What I was saying is that I don't think this plan will reduce this opinion much, even though due to the space, something amazing could be made!
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#699 Post by rubegoldbergdevice » Mon May 17, 2010 12:29 am

City Cross? (Rundle Mall Area)

Hindmarsh Square?

City Central Plaza? (behind ANZ)
NO NO NO! It's North Terrace. I would've thought it was obvious. It has all the kinds of cultural institutions Fed Square has, but real, and it has heritage awesomeness as well as being a pedestrian space.

This is for another thread, but anywhere else in the world would have capitalised on this years ago. A concerted marketing plan (including the universities) with some extra funding for the museum and art gallery so they're not so crap is all that is needed. The only thing missing from the Northern Lights thing was that none of the projected-upon buildings were open. And is it just me, or has anyone else thought they might like to go visit some art on a Friday evening, only to be confronted by formidably closed doors? A poor show. Don't just rely on bloody cafes. Are we that shallow? There are enough of them.

North Terrace is (as so many things in Adelaide that are completely taken for granted) unique and yet only partially capitalised upon.

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#700 Post by Will » Mon May 17, 2010 12:32 am

yousername wrote:
rubegoldbergdevice wrote: That's the Adelaide imagination and enthusiasm I'm used to! None whatsoever. Woohoo!

Based on what? Back to the loch with you Nessie. And whoever it was espousing reopening KW Street through the centre, meet me outside in ten minutes. I've been drinkin!
I wasn't saying that is my opinion! I'm just saying that's the view of many interstaters. What I was saying is that I don't think this plan will reduce this opinion much, even though due to the space, something amazing could be made!
I disagree, I usually challenge such opinions, and from what I have noticed, after I ask the person to substantiate their put-down of Adelaide, they usually mention our inability to do anything with Victoria Square.

Hence, like fixing our airport stopped all the put-downs in that field, fixing Victoria Square should eliminate this embarrassment for our city.

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#701 Post by yousername » Mon May 17, 2010 12:52 am

Will wrote:
yousername wrote: I wasn't saying that is my opinion! I'm just saying that's the view of many interstaters. What I was saying is that I don't think this plan will reduce this opinion much, even though due to the space, something amazing could be made!
I disagree, I usually challenge such opinions, and from what I have noticed, after I ask the person to substantiate their put-down of Adelaide, they usually mention our inability to do anything with Victoria Square.

Hence, like fixing our airport stopped all the put-downs in that field, fixing Victoria Square should eliminate this embarrassment for our city.
I agree wholeheartedly, but I think that something better and more radical than the current plan would severely change people's thoughts.
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#702 Post by Pikey » Mon May 17, 2010 7:45 am

Keep it up, and this will be another thread in the bin.

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#703 Post by Wayno » Mon May 17, 2010 8:46 am

An information session will be held in the Square on Thursday 20 May, from 11:00am to 2:00pm. This is an opportunity for you to learn more about the draft Regeneration Masterplan and have an informal discussion with the project staff.
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i think i'll attend this session - anyone interested in tagging along? i'm not sure where it will be held though...
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#704 Post by Prince George » Mon May 17, 2010 9:12 am

Wayno wrote:
An information session will be held in the Square on Thursday 20 May, from 11:00am to 2:00pm. This is an opportunity for you to learn more about the draft Regeneration Masterplan and have an informal discussion with the project staff.
i think i'll attend this session - anyone interested in tagging along? i'm not sure where it will be held though...
I'll be there. I've seen both "the square" and "the town hall" given as locations ...

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#705 Post by skyliner » Tue May 18, 2010 5:01 pm

Wayno wrote:
An information session will be held in the Square on Thursday 20 May, from 11:00am to 2:00pm. This is an opportunity for you to learn more about the draft Regeneration Masterplan and have an informal discussion with the project staff.
i think i'll attend this session - anyone interested in tagging along? i'm not sure where it will be held though...[/quote]

Oh to be there! Wayno, could you post anything that will be of interest. (or by 'private message' if you think that more applicable)

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