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Re: Adelaide Airport & Airline News

#706 Post by muzzamo » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:31 pm

rev wrote:Garuda maybe. Indonesia remains a popular place for Australian's to visit.
A Bali consortium with Singaporean backing is building a circuit near Denpasar and are in talks with V8 Supercars to host a round there along with possibly Moto GP, so it will remain popular if not become more popular. .
Even more bogans traveling to Bali for the v8s. That would be a sight to see.

Virgin of course already does adelaide to Denpasar direct.

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#707 Post by Ho Really » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:03 pm

Maximus, China Southern want to collaborate on our domestic routes. Both our main airlines have agreements with others, but of the two the one that may end up with China Southern is Virgin (if at all). These agreements are prickly. China Southern is contemplating an A380 for Sydney to fly to London on their "Canton Route". It may be another option for Aussies flying to the UK/Europe, but it will also take customers away from QANTAS. Etihad is also ramping up flights to Brisbane. As you can see all the newcomers, Qatar, Emirates, China Southern, China Eastern and Etihad are all taking chunks out of what could belong (in part...of course) to QANTAS... :cry:

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Re: Adelaide Airport & Airline News

#708 Post by Ho Really » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:08 pm

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rev wrote:Garuda maybe. Indonesia remains a popular place for Australian's to visit.
A Bali consortium with Singaporean backing is building a circuit near Denpasar and are in talks with V8 Supercars to host a round there along with possibly Moto GP, so it will remain popular if not become more popular. .
Even more bogans traveling to Bali for the v8s. That would be a sight to see.

Virgin of course already does adelaide to Denpasar direct.
Yeah...Favourite holiday destination Bali claims Australian life every nine days...so I guess this won't help the averages!! :shock:

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Re: Adelaide Airport & Airline News

#709 Post by Splashmo » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:56 pm

Wouldn't necessarily miss the three times weekly service with Qantas, but I guess it'd be a shame to lose ANY airline, especially our national carrier. They are still a pretty good airline to fly overseas. Weren't there rumours of a direct service to Hong Kong? Things have obviously changed. And if they can't make an international service work out of booming Perth, what hope do they have?

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#710 Post by Ho Really » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:46 pm

Tiger takes $1m, but might be back
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August 16, 20125:56PM

TIGER Airways says the State Government's backdown from a demand it repay a $2.25 million grant "paves the way" for the carrier to resume flights in and out of Adelaide.

However, no date for resumption has been determined and other destinations are also being considered.

Tiger Airways Australia chief executive Andrew David said the deal was "mutually agreeable".

"Tiger Airways has today confirmed that it has reached a resolution with the South Australian Government in relation to a commercial agreement and monies owed," Mr David said.

"Today's mutually agreeable outcome with the South Australian Government is an important achievement and paves the way for Tiger to consider a possible resumption of services to South Australia in the future.

"Tiger Airways Australia continues to progressively resume domestic services focusing on flying the popular core routes which enable the airline to fly affordably and with enhanced reliability.

"The airline currently has eight popular routes on sale and is keen to reinstate services to a number of popular destinations, which it will announce in due course.

"We are talking to a number of tourism and airport partners around Australia, including Adelaide, about our future growth plans, however we don't have anything specific to confirm at this time in this regard."

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TIGER Airways will keep almost $1 million from a taxpayer grant aimed at keeping it in Adelaide, despite having dumped its service in August last year.

Treasurer Jack Snelling today announced only $1.4 million, plus GST, would be handed back to taxpayers, despite early State Government assurance all of the $2.25 million grant would be repaid.

The money was handed over in 2009 in return for Tiger establishing a base in Adelaide.

In addition, a $500,000 plus GST incentive payment due to Tiger from the South Australian Tourism Commission, suspended while grant negotiations had been taking place, will now be paid.

During Budget Estimates last year, Manufacturing, Innovation and Trade Minister Tom Koutsantonis said: "No taxpayers' money from the $2.25 million offered will be lost. They have not met their obligations and they will be paying that money back."

The State Government in July announced a similar deal with Emirates Airlines for direct flights to Dubai.

The size of the taxpayer lure for that deal has not been revealed.

Deputy Premier John Rau at the time said the Emirates agreement would run until the end of June 2016.

He said he was confident the arrangement would work but, if it did not, taxpayers would not be disadvantaged.

Mr Snelling today said he had reached a "commercial settlement" with Tiger Airways.

"The resolution of this matter will pave the way for Tiger to focus on continuing to rebuild its network and operations within Australia, including the consideration of returning its flights to Adelaide," he said.

Mr Snelling said he hoped that return to Adelaide operation "will happen soon".

He said the deal to have a base established in 2009 included requirements the parties conduct "good faith discussions" after which he could require the company to refund an amount he deems appropriate.

"There had been significant differences between Tiger and the SA Government as to what constitutes a reasonable refund, with Tiger emphasising it complied with its obligations for a significant part of the period," Mr Snelling said.

"Although the Government did not recover all of the $2.25 million grant originally paid out, it is considered the $1.4 million recovery is a reasonable outcome for South Australian taxpayers given the potential costs and risks associated with litigation."

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Re: Adelaide Airport & Airline News

#711 Post by Maximus » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:03 am

I'm not sure if this 'agreement' with Tiger sits comfortably with me -- seems a bit too much like the govt rolling over. On the other hand, I suppose another way of looking at it would be to say that the govt got all of its $2.25 million back and then paid Tiger $1 million to start flying here again, which then doesn't sound as bad. Of course, ideally we wouldn't have to pay airlines anything at all to get them to service Adelaide, but it seems that's not the commercial reality of it all. I'm not sure how common these sorts of underwriting agreements are in other cities...?
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Re: Adelaide Airport & Airline News

#712 Post by Ho Really » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:52 pm

Maximus wrote:[..]

I'm not sure how common these sorts of underwriting agreements are in other cities...?
I agree with you Maximus...in principle. I'm not too sure what goes on interstate. Up in Queensland Campbell Newman said no incentives were given to Etihad for the extra flights into Brissy. Who knows for certain. I guess to a certain extent we need to give airlines and cruise companies something or else they'll go elsewhere. We need them as much as they need us.

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Re: Adelaide Airport & Airline News

#713 Post by Stefan P » Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:11 pm

Evening all,

Adelaide has managed to secure a Qantas charter flight over Antarctica next year. The flight is to occur on Sunday January 20th 2013. It departs Adelaide at 0630 and returns at 1900.

This is the 1st Antarctic charter that Adelaide has had in 8 years. The last one was back in 2004.

More information here... http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/
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#714 Post by Maximus » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:41 am

Thanks Stefan. That's good news. I remember when those charters previously used to happen and Keith Martyn would bang on about it on the radio. Infectious enthusiasm. Is he still around?!

Anyhoo, no route announcements that I'm aware of from yesterday's Qantas result, so for the time being we can keep flying to Singapore three times a week.

As an aside, along with everyone else, I imagine the airport execs are a bit disappointed with the BHP announcement. They would have been hoping for a nice upswing in FIFO traffic.
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Re: Adelaide Airport & Airline News

#715 Post by muzzamo » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:15 pm

I honestly don't think Qantas would pull out of ADL-Singapore. It would absolutely destroy them on the Kangaroo route to London and Europe, with MH, CX, SQ and now EQ all offering a vastly superior product to Europe. Qantas to Europe ex Adelaide would mean a stopover in Sydney, then Melbourne or Sydney, then either Singapore, Bangkok or Hong Kong, with the Bangkok and Hong Kong flights only flying on Qantas metal for part of the way.

There are also plenty of loyal (stupid?) Qantas Frequent flyers that are putting up with only 3 flights a week so that they can earn and burn their QFF points.

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#716 Post by rev » Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:34 pm

Maximus wrote:Thanks Stefan. That's good news. I remember when those charters previously used to happen and Keith Martyn would bang on about it on the radio. Infectious enthusiasm. Is he still around?!

Anyhoo, no route announcements that I'm aware of from yesterday's Qantas result, so for the time being we can keep flying to Singapore three times a week.

As an aside, along with everyone else, I imagine the airport execs are a bit disappointed with the BHP announcement. They would have been hoping for a nice upswing in FIFO traffic.
Would Adelaide actually miss Qantas flights to Singapore? Singapore would be laughing if they pulled them though.

I think we will still see FIFO traffic increase. Mining operations in the state have increased dramatically, and more mines are in the pipeline. The major focus obviously has been ODX, but like one of the mining industry guys said on tv, other mines now wont struggle to attract workers since ODX wont eat up the majority of the workforce. So I think FIFO traffic increasing is still a given.

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#717 Post by AG » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:47 am

rev wrote:
Maximus wrote:Thanks Stefan. That's good news. I remember when those charters previously used to happen and Keith Martyn would bang on about it on the radio. Infectious enthusiasm. Is he still around?!

Anyhoo, no route announcements that I'm aware of from yesterday's Qantas result, so for the time being we can keep flying to Singapore three times a week.

As an aside, along with everyone else, I imagine the airport execs are a bit disappointed with the BHP announcement. They would have been hoping for a nice upswing in FIFO traffic.
Would Adelaide actually miss Qantas flights to Singapore? Singapore would be laughing if they pulled them though.

I think we will still see FIFO traffic increase. Mining operations in the state have increased dramatically, and more mines are in the pipeline. The major focus obviously has been ODX, but like one of the mining industry guys said on tv, other mines now wont struggle to attract workers since ODX wont eat up the majority of the workforce. So I think FIFO traffic increasing is still a given.
Mines like Prominent Hill are still growing and contributing to increasing FIFO from Adelaide. The other mines are still business as usual.

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#718 Post by Stefan P » Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:45 pm

Evening all,

There is a double page spread about Adelaide Airport in September's issue of Australian Avaiation, which I received in the mail today.

Chief Executive Mark Young talks about the progress of the airport and the future of the airport in temrs of airlines and infrastructure.

He states that now Emriates are starting services, which covers the middle East and many other connextions beyond. The airports next focus is China and South East Asia. He conitues to mention that China is priority (In my opinion, We should be seeing China SOuthern here by this time or at the end of next year). There is also a compelling case for a direct Adelaide-Bangkok service.

Another remaining prospect is Garuda coming back, but still a long way off. Future aspirations is to centre on direct flights to the US and India.\

The article also talks about FIFO operations, by means of extending the terminal to cater for increased FIFO and regional growth.
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Re: Adelaide Airport & Airline News

#719 Post by Maximus » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:32 pm

Perhaps I should have said nicer upswing in FIFO traffic. :wink:
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#720 Post by bm7500 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:59 am

LOW-COST carrier Tiger Airways will resume flights between Adelaide and Melbourne from November 1.

The Advertiser can reveal the airline today will post a variety of fares, including 5000 one-way seats for travel between November 1 and mid-2013 for $19.95. It will initially offer two flights each way per day.

Tiger Airways Australia chief executive Andrew David told The Advertiser yesterday that extra flights between Adelaide and Melbourne, as well as other routes from Adelaide, could be added later.

This comes after Tiger last month struck a deal with the State Government to keep more than $1 million in taxpayer funding.

It means Tiger will have to pay back only $1.4 million of the $2.25 million it was offered in 2009 to base itself in Adelaide.

The Government had been pursuing the full amount after Tiger failed to resume flights to Adelaide following its grounding by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority in July last year.

Mr David said he was "absolutely convinced" SA travellers would put the controversy behind them. He said the resumption of Adelaide flights had been made possible by Tiger acquiring a 10th Airbus A320.

That means an extra 2520 seats a week into Adelaide.

"An 11th aircraft is on the way but we are being cautious with expansion," Mr David said.

"People understand we are a low-cost service, with low fares," he said.

"But people don't tolerate poor service."

He said the Adelaide-Melbourne route had done well for the airline before and he looked forward to good support again from November 1.

Tiger's return to Adelaide will create 20 jobs here for its airport ground-handling contractor.

Independent senator Nick Xenophon yesterday welcomed Tiger's announcement, which he said would be a "great boost" for South Australia's tourism sector.

"As someone who has been pushing for their return, I welcome it," he said. "I'll certainly be using them as often as I can."

He urged the State Government also to show its support by booking travel on Tiger.

In June, Jetstar said it would increase seats through Adelaide, on the Sydney, Gold Coast and Cairns routes, by 13 per cent.

Tiger began Adelaide flights from Melbourne in 2008 and opened its second base, in Adelaide, in 2009.

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