News & Discussion: Other Metropolitan Developments

[claybro]

Have to agree with Shuz here, that only areas immediately adjacent to Major Roads, intersections and transport routes should have been re-zoned at this stage. In the next 30 years (per the 30 year plan) it is unlikely we will even scratch the surface of the under-utilised areas adjacent to main roads, rail lines, shopping centres etc, it is unlikely these height zones will be be required in neighboring streets even in the next 50 years. Even now, with the revised height restrictions, there has been no rush to build multi storey blocks on the main routes such as Anzac Hwy, Port road,Main North around Sefton Park Shops etc.

[mattblack]

Developers have many hoops to jump through even if zoning allows such a high. The prospect of a building being plonked in the middle of a suburb, in complete isolation and in complete contrast to its surrounds would be more trouble than what its worth for any developer in the foreseeable future especially considering that residents still have the right of appeal.

[Ben]

$18m redevelopment plan for Scotty's Motel on Main North Rd
by:
Amelia Broadstock
From:
City North Messenger

February 20, 2013

A FOUR-storey motel with 70 rooms and a roof top garden is proposed for the Scotty's Motel site.

An application to raze the two-storey hotel, on the corner of Main North Rd and Nottage Tce, and build a new one in its place at a cost of $18 million has been lodged with Walkerville Council by Nelson Architects.

A bagpipe-playing Scotsman is included in the plans but it is unclear if it is the same "Scotty" who adorns the building now.

The draft plans were included in this month's Walkerville Council Development Assessment Panel meeting agenda.

DAP members voted to proceed with assessing the application.

The new hotel would feature 80 beds, a gym, pool, sauna, two function rooms and bars, a roof top garden and 34 basement and 60 above ground carparks.

The City North Messenger contacted the owner of Scotty's Motel and Nelson Architects, but no one was available for comment.

[crawf]

Would have stunning views over the city skyline, and it's great they will include Scotty. Big yes in my books!

Hopefully the design is good.

[rhino]

This is the intersection of Cross Terrace and Wood Street in Kurralta Park - one of several hundred low-density residential suburban streets in the Plympton, Kurralta Park and Keswick areas which have now been rezoned medium density, potentially allowing developments of 4 storeys, and in some cases, 5 storeys. These homes are 700m from the nearest arterial road, Anzac Highway. I do not believe that there is a need to rezone these areas.

There is almost nowhere in Plympton, Keswick, or Kurralta Park that is further than 500m from an arterial road, unless you don't consider South, Richmond, Cross, or Marion Roads to be arterial. In Keswick, the furthest you can get from an arterial is 300m, and in Plympton and Kurralta Park you would have to be at the very extreme coner of each to be 700m from an arterial.

Technicality?

[[Shuz]]

This is the intersection of Cross Terrace and Wood Street in Kurralta Park - one of several hundred low-density residential suburban streets in the Plympton, Kurralta Park and Keswick areas which have now been rezoned medium density, potentially allowing developments of 4 storeys, and in some cases, 5 storeys. These homes are 700m from the nearest arterial road, Anzac Highway. I do not believe that there is a need to rezone these areas.

There is almost nowhere in Plympton, Keswick, or Kurralta Park that is further than 500m from an arterial road, unless you don't consider South, Richmond, Cross, or Marion Roads to be arterial. In Keswick, the furthest you can get from an arterial is 300m, and in Plympton and Kurralta Park you would have to be at the very extreme coner of each to be 700m from an arterial.

Technicality?

700m, 500, 300m, whatever the figure, I don't care - there is just absolutely no need for suburbia to be rezoned medium or high density unless the site(s) in question is on an arterial road, or at most, 50m / 1 block back from an arterial road or a significant transport node (i.e. tram stop).

[monotonehell]

You mean 500 metres, right?

[claybro]

Good news re the Scottys corner, this is a major gateway to Adelaide and is currently and eyesore. But 4 storeys?? Surely this corner fits into a higher building height zone. 4 storeys is a bit of a waste of a strategic location in my view, given it's only 2 storeys higher than the present set up. Once these sites are redeveloped, they are locked away for another 50 years or so.

[Hooligan]

"I'm all for development as long as it doesn't happen near me or anyone i know"

[Will]

From AdelaideNow today:
Plympton residents fear four-storey housing will ruin their suburb
A FOUR-STOREY height limit for new developments in Plympton will destroy the suburb's character, some residents fear.

West Torrens Council has proposed increasing Plympton's height limit and allowing medium density housing as part of its council-wide Development Plan Amendment (DPA).

A group of Lindsay St residents fear the increase from its present two-storey maximum would ruin the suburb's character, increase traffic and lead to a loss of privacy.

Reg Betts, who has lived in Plympton for 52 years, said the suburb would struggle to cope with extra residents.

"Higher density housing will bring extra people and extra traffic and I don't think Plympton can handle any more pressure," he said.

Mr Betts urged residents to examine the proposal and lodge a submission with the council before community consultation ended on Friday (February 22).

Bruce and Joy Kendall moved to Plympton five years ago, drawn by its streetscape.

"I would expect our property prices will be devalued with the introduction of higher density housing," Mr Kendall said.

The DPA is part of the State Government's strategy to prepare Adelaide for population growth in the next 30 years.

Six-storey developments would be allowed in Keswick and Kurralta Park.

Height limits would rise to eight storeys on Anzac Highway.

West Torrens Mayor John Trainer said the council would consider the residents' views in preparing its official response to the State Government.

``However after the council responds to the State Government, it is then up to the State Government to decide whether our suggestions are accepted,'' he said.

The council has so far received 46 submissions about its DPA.

Comment on the DPA to [email protected] or West Torrens Council, Housing Diversity DPA, 165 Sir Donald Bradman Drive, Hilton 5033.

If anyone lives in West Torrens, and doesn't want this debate to be hijacked by NIMBYs, please have your say via the following website:

http://www.westtorrens.sa.gov.au/Counci ... ersity_DPA

[Reb-L]

If anyone lives in West Torrens, and doesn't want this debate to be hijacked by NIMBYs, please have your say via the following website:

http://www.westtorrens.sa.gov.au/Counci ... ersity_DPA

Good initiative Will; because NIMBYS usually are better organized than us apathetic/time-poor/uninformed ordinary people who have other things to do in our lives, NIMBYS often get a disproportional influence over development matters. Let's fight back so that they don't have a free rule!

[stumpjumper]

There are plenty of reasons - mostly illicit.

Having said that, there are many very worthy residents etc....

[Ben]

We can't even get a 20 storey apartment building built in the city, but props for thinking big

Developers push for 20-storey buildings on city fringe

by:
Emma Altschwager

From:
Eastern Courier Messenger

March 05, 2013

APARTMENT blocks up to 20-storeys high should be allowed on Dequetteville Tce and 10-storey buildings should be permitted on The Parade and sites in Kent Town, a peak developers' body says.

The Urban Development Institute of Australia's SA branch has lodged a submission in response to the State Government's plan to allow high-rise apartments to be built along major roads in Burnside, Unley, Norwood Payneham & St Peters, West Torrens and Prospect council areas.

In the submission, the group's executive director Terry Walsh said proposed height limits of up to 12 storeys were too restrictive.

"The conservative nature of many of the height limits is of concern," Mr Walsh wrote.

"In many instances, the height limitations may be too restrictive to encourage development of an existing site."

Mr Walsh said developments up to 15-20 storeys should be encouraged along Dequetteville Tce.


"It is the most accessible part of all suburban Adelaide to the City square," he wrote.

"It is adjacent to some of the best parkland spaces that should be viewed and activated by the maximum number of adjacent residents and workers."

He said Kent Town, The Parade and Greenhill and Fullarton roads could cater for buildings up to 10 storeys.

The government - which has prepared plans for Burnside and Prospect council areas - also proposed apartments up to 10 storeys along Fullarton and Greenhill roads.

But Burnside Council and eastern residents have criticised the plan, amid concerns about the effect of high-rise buildings, including overshadowing, traffic problems and heritage loss.

NP&SP Council, which has prepared its own plans in line with the government's objectives, proposed buildings up to 10 storeys on selected sites in Kent Town and seven storeys on selected sites along The Parade.

The building height changes have been proposed to help cater for an extra 560,000 people expected to be living in Adelaide in the coming 30 years.

The government's Development Policy Advisory Committee (DPAC), charged with presenting feedback to Planning Minister John Rau, received 178 submissions on the joint Burnside and Prospect plan.

Mr Rau said no decisions about final building heights had been made.

"I am not in a position to say what DPAC's advice to me will be," Mr Rau said.

"I will consider any recommendations in due course."

Unley, NP&SP and West Torrens councils have collected feedback on their revised development plans separately.

[[Shuz]]

I will run down King William Street naked the day a 20 storey building is built in the NP&SP Council.

[SRW]

Going by previous articles in the Eastern Courier on the topic of fringe building heights, I can't help but feel the UDIA-SA's engaging in a bit of mischievous flame-baiting here...