[SWP] Re: Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 1:58 pm
Still coming down:
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[SWP] Re: Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:14 pm
Taken from the 28th floor of Realm by me
[SWP] Re: Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:06 pm
Update:
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[SWP] Re: Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:03 pm
Update from today as the paving around the Bice Building opens to the public:
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[SWP] Re: Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm
Great shots, thank you!
[SWP] Re: Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:19 pm
Good riddance to a hospital that's over 50 Years Old.
[SWP] Re: Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:02 am
At the pace things go in this oversized village, I'd be shocked if it didn't take them a month or more to remove that last section.
Got to throw in a bit of corruption, you know keep the job going a little longer so the boss can get his new Range Rover
[SWP] Re: Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:07 pm
They can't do controlled demolitions in Australia anymore since that girl in Canberra was killed by flying debris like 15-20 years ago. Things have to be done differently now and that means taking more time and going slower. Plus there's a lot of asbestos. It's got nothing to do with the project manager getting a new range rover.
[SWP] Re: Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:59 pm
95% of your comments here are just rambling shite/complainingrev wrote:At the pace things go in this oversized village, I'd be shocked if it didn't take them a month or more to remove that last section.
Got to throw in a bit of corruption, you know keep the job going a little longer so the boss can get his new Range Rover
[SWP] Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:48 pm
Prominent new signage on the corner of North Terrace and Frome Road for Lot Fourteen. It’s almost a freestanding sculpture with only a couple of fixings to the heritage building.
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[SWP] Re: Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:35 am
I have had concerns for some time that the business case for the Aboriginal Gallery doesn't stack up - I am struggling to see what the Adelaide offering will put forward that is a differentiator to the WA and NT proposals, also as Aboriginals were not one nation when Europeans arrived, rather they were about 200 localised tribes who did not speak each others languages or share each others culture, the only offering in true sense for this effort is a Gallery for local SA tribes, it cant have a national element because there never was one.
And I think this is going to be the sticking point for attracting international tourism, people aren't going to make a special trip to Adelaide to see a non-national gallery, let alone pay to visit. Tandanya has leveraged off the Festivals by holding events in its space, I'm sure the proposed Gallery will do the same, but is it an attraction in its own right that will attract special trip visitors such as MONA in Hobart - I think that will be a long stretch to imagine. Still not convinced this is the best use of the space allocated at Lot 14 for this effort. And to date Tandanya still hasn't been able to prove its a destination of worth for a special trip.
On that theme I spotted this letter to the editor today regarding the Aboriginal Gallery business case - fair points being made.
https://indaily.com.au/opinion/reader-c ... and-chefs/
Commenting on the story: Visitors expected to flock to Aboriginal Cultures Centre but other details under wraps
Over-estimating visitor numbers has been a fatal trap for new Government-subsidised cultural centres in Adelaide.
When Tandanya opened in 1989 there were optimistic projections of 90,000 visitors, paying an admission of $4. By the end of 1990 attendances were a mere 30,000 and Tandanya had a $500,000 deficit. Then there was the National Wine Centre, which similarly over-estimated attendances and ended up being closed down after an even worse discrepancy between projected and actual income from visitations.
Stephanie Richards does not mention in her article if these visitations are based on an admission charge or free admission. Figures for both the SA Museum and AGSA are based mainly on free admission with the occasional charge exhibition. If there is charge this might have a significant dampening effect.
Australians have proved notoriously recalcitrant when it comes to forking out even small amounts for exhibition admission, even though we will happily pay much more for theatre and music tickets. – Margot Osborne
And I think this is going to be the sticking point for attracting international tourism, people aren't going to make a special trip to Adelaide to see a non-national gallery, let alone pay to visit. Tandanya has leveraged off the Festivals by holding events in its space, I'm sure the proposed Gallery will do the same, but is it an attraction in its own right that will attract special trip visitors such as MONA in Hobart - I think that will be a long stretch to imagine. Still not convinced this is the best use of the space allocated at Lot 14 for this effort. And to date Tandanya still hasn't been able to prove its a destination of worth for a special trip.
On that theme I spotted this letter to the editor today regarding the Aboriginal Gallery business case - fair points being made.
https://indaily.com.au/opinion/reader-c ... and-chefs/
Commenting on the story: Visitors expected to flock to Aboriginal Cultures Centre but other details under wraps
Over-estimating visitor numbers has been a fatal trap for new Government-subsidised cultural centres in Adelaide.
When Tandanya opened in 1989 there were optimistic projections of 90,000 visitors, paying an admission of $4. By the end of 1990 attendances were a mere 30,000 and Tandanya had a $500,000 deficit. Then there was the National Wine Centre, which similarly over-estimated attendances and ended up being closed down after an even worse discrepancy between projected and actual income from visitations.
Stephanie Richards does not mention in her article if these visitations are based on an admission charge or free admission. Figures for both the SA Museum and AGSA are based mainly on free admission with the occasional charge exhibition. If there is charge this might have a significant dampening effect.
Australians have proved notoriously recalcitrant when it comes to forking out even small amounts for exhibition admission, even though we will happily pay much more for theatre and music tickets. – Margot Osborne
[SWP] Re: Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:16 am
I agree. I think the original idea of a modern art gallery including aboriginal art has much broader appeal. MONA has helped completely reshape Hobart.Bob wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:35 amI have had concerns for some time that the business case for the Aboriginal Gallery doesn't stack up - I am struggling to see what the Adelaide offering will put forward that is a differentiator to the WA and NT proposals, also as Aboriginals were not one nation when Europeans arrived, rather they were about 200 localised tribes who did not speak each others languages or share each others culture, the only offering in true sense for this effort is a Gallery for local SA tribes, it cant have a national element because there never was one.
And I think this is going to be the sticking point for attracting international tourism, people aren't going to make a special trip to Adelaide to see a non-national gallery, let alone pay to visit. Tandanya has leveraged off the Festivals by holding events in its space, I'm sure the proposed Gallery will do the same, but is it an attraction in its own right that will attract special trip visitors such as MONA in Hobart - I think that will be a long stretch to imagine. Still not convinced this is the best use of the space allocated at Lot 14 for this effort. And to date Tandanya still hasn't been able to prove its a destination of worth for a special trip.
On that theme I spotted this letter to the editor today regarding the Aboriginal Gallery business case - fair points being made.
https://indaily.com.au/opinion/reader-c ... and-chefs/
Commenting on the story: Visitors expected to flock to Aboriginal Cultures Centre but other details under wraps
Over-estimating visitor numbers has been a fatal trap for new Government-subsidised cultural centres in Adelaide.
When Tandanya opened in 1989 there were optimistic projections of 90,000 visitors, paying an admission of $4. By the end of 1990 attendances were a mere 30,000 and Tandanya had a $500,000 deficit. Then there was the National Wine Centre, which similarly over-estimated attendances and ended up being closed down after an even worse discrepancy between projected and actual income from visitations.
Stephanie Richards does not mention in her article if these visitations are based on an admission charge or free admission. Figures for both the SA Museum and AGSA are based mainly on free admission with the occasional charge exhibition. If there is charge this might have a significant dampening effect.
Australians have proved notoriously recalcitrant when it comes to forking out even small amounts for exhibition admission, even though we will happily pay much more for theatre and music tickets. – Margot Osborne
[SWP] Re: Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:18 am
While I understand/agree with the points mentioned, MONA has been funded/owned by an extremely wealthy individual [some $300m+ spent years ago, so maybe equivalent to $1b today]. Maybe the discussion should be if our Govt should go out and buy/compete for [with taxpayers money] quality Art where just one "standout" piece can cost $25m, $50m or more?
My understanding is the SA Govt has some 40,000+ Aboriginal art pieces/artefacts/sculptures etc they currently own and in storage which effectively is just waiting to be properly showcased.
However just because they already own all this "content" it won't preclude it from becoming a white elephant, it's just that at least it would be ...... a cheaper white elephant?
My understanding is the SA Govt has some 40,000+ Aboriginal art pieces/artefacts/sculptures etc they currently own and in storage which effectively is just waiting to be properly showcased.
However just because they already own all this "content" it won't preclude it from becoming a white elephant, it's just that at least it would be ...... a cheaper white elephant?
[SWP] Re: Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:40 pm
Yes its true MONA came effectively via philanthropy, but what an impact it has had. For Adelaide to get the same impact, it too would have to offer something of a differentiator, as above and I think we agree, the current proposed concept will not satisfy that vision.
The fact that the Liberals are not being transparent with the complete detailed business case to justify the viability of this proposal is raising a yellow flag that further independent investigation is required.
Lot 14 appears to have momentum now and is continually building on its earlier success small steps at a time, it would be a pity if people look back in 20 years time with hindsight and say we should've have hung out for something more impacting on the national, even international stage.
The fact that the Liberals are not being transparent with the complete detailed business case to justify the viability of this proposal is raising a yellow flag that further independent investigation is required.
Lot 14 appears to have momentum now and is continually building on its earlier success small steps at a time, it would be a pity if people look back in 20 years time with hindsight and say we should've have hung out for something more impacting on the national, even international stage.
[SWP] Re: Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)
Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:06 pm
The same can be said of the AGSA's collection, a tiny fraction of which is currently displayed. The difference though is depth of quality. AGSA rotates a fair bit, whereas I imagine the museum has most of the best items already on display.how good is he wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:18 amMy understanding is the SA Govt has some 40,000+ Aboriginal art pieces/artefacts/sculptures etc they currently own and in storage which effectively is just waiting to be properly showcased.
However just because they already own all this "content" it won't preclude it from becoming a white elephant, it's just that at least it would be ...... a cheaper white elephant?