News & Discussion: Public Transport Contracts, Service & Policy

[witsend]

Wonder how long for? Given Amex fees are typically 3% of a sale total, and assume a 10% margin on Metrocard recharges, a $30 recharge will not net any margin for the retailer.

[muzzamo]

Wonder how long for? Given Amex fees are typically 3% of a sale total, and assume a 10% margin on Metrocard recharges, a $30 recharge will not net any margin for the retailer.

Some retailers (coles/woolies) presumably pay 0% on Amex.

Others use it as a loss leader or allow it for competitive reasons. IGA probably pays a fee but needs to stay competitive with coles/woolies.

Also i'm not quite sure about your maths here.

$30 recharge is purchased for $27 Wholesale (10% margin), and amex fees are 90c (3% fee).

[crawf]

Anyone see the Today Tonight report on Adelaide's public transport?. Such terrible journalism even for Today Tonight,. They portrayed Adelaide as some kind of hicksville and we should all pack up and leave. Ofcourse it forgot to mention the record investment that is being poured into the train network and public transport in general. Hell take a look at the city railway lines, huge visible changes happening right now.

Also the people they interviewed . First time I've watched that show in ages, and it was mistake watching it for five minutes tonight.

[[Shuz]]

One simply does not watch Today Tonight.

[Maximus]

Crawf, turn over to SBS World News at 6:30. Your brain cells will thank you.

[SuperEgz]

Crawf, turn over to SBS World News at 6:30. Your brain cells will thank you.

Yep SBS News is probably better than anything else on tv.

Does anyone know if the today tonight report is on the internet anywhere? I want to see this terrible example of journalism.

[Tonsley213]

Anyone see the Today Tonight report on Adelaide's public transport?. Such terrible journalism even for Today Tonight,. They portrayed Adelaide as some kind of hicksville and we should all pack up and leave. Ofcourse it forgot to mention the record investment that is being poured into the train network and public transport in general. Hell take a look at the city railway lines, huge visible changes happening right now.

Also the people they interviewed . First time I've watched that show in ages, and it was mistake watching it for five minutes tonight.

Oh an even worse, the so called 'expert' was a victorian in Melbourne, with clearly no idea where Adelaide is, she seemed to think we were actually Perth.

[crawf]

Anyone see the Today Tonight report on Adelaide's public transport?. Such terrible journalism even for Today Tonight,. They portrayed Adelaide as some kind of hicksville and we should all pack up and leave. Ofcourse it forgot to mention the record investment that is being poured into the train network and public transport in general. Hell take a look at the city railway lines, huge visible changes happening right now.

Also the people they interviewed . First time I've watched that show in ages, and it was mistake watching it for five minutes tonight.

Oh an even worse, the so called 'expert' was a victorian in Melbourne, with clearly no idea where Adelaide is, she seemed to think we were actually Perth.

Loved her fashion sense, actually it looked like they all shop at Joyrene Fashions.

[train driver]

Anyone see the Today Tonight report on Adelaide's public transport?. Such terrible journalism even for Today Tonight,. They portrayed Adelaide as some kind of hicksville and we should all pack up and leave. Ofcourse it forgot to mention the record investment that is being poured into the train network and public transport in general. Hell take a look at the city railway lines, huge visible changes happening right now.

Also the people they interviewed . First time I've watched that show in ages, and it was mistake watching it for five minutes tonight.

Oh an even worse, the so called 'expert' was a victorian in Melbourne, with clearly no idea where Adelaide is, she seemed to think we were actually Perth.

Loved her fashion sense, actually it looked like they all shop at Joyrene Fashions.

I agree very much out dated and didn't tell us any more than what we know, and that is why we are getting an new electrified suburban rail system.

It was interesting to see that one of the persons they interviewed was involved in transport when they shut down the Bridgewater passenger rail services.

If Bridgewater rail services were still operating today, most of the Hills buses from Murray Bridge, Strath & Mt Barker could have connected to an express passenger train service from Bridgewater to Adelaide.

[monotonehell]

If Bridgewater rail services were still operating today, most of the Hills buses from Murray Bridge, Strath & Mt Barker could have connected to an express passenger train service from Bridgewater to Adelaide.

Wouldn't that take a very long time to get to Adelaide via the serpentine rail route through the hills?

[Aidan]

Did you know there is a perfectly good rail corridor that already runs between Pt Adelaide and Dry Creek. Would be feasable to run a suburban train from Elizabeth via Mawson to Port Adelaide. Imagine the time saving over bus. Sure it is single track, but with some upgrade and passing points could work well. Could also link the Port into the sucess of MAwson Lakes and the Edinbugh industrial/defence precinct.

Such a service used to exist, but was discontinued in the mid to late '80s because of lack of demand. And despite the development that's occurred at Mawson Lakes, theres still unlikely to be sufficient demand. The route is now parallelled by the PREXY, so journey times are unlikely to be competitive with driving. Plus conflict with slow heavy freight movements is likely to be even more of an issue now.

Even a bus service using the PREXY is unlikely to attract many passengers, as the lack of intermediate destinations would work against it. A bus service via Cormack Road would be more viable, and (by stopping more places and running more frequently) probably more attractive to passengers than a train service. Trains are intrinsically more attractive, but that counts for nothing unless they go where the passengers want.

The current trend is for more companies to have their main offices in the CBD. It's possible that some time in the future the trend will reverse and more companies will have large offices at their factories. If and when that happens, there could be demand for a train service or even a monorail in that area. Until then, a bus service would be the best solution.

As for the idea of Port Adelaide becoming the second CBD, that would put a lot more commuter traffic on the same axis as the main commercial vehicle flows, which is unwise without a huge investment in tollways, and probably unwise even then.

[claybro]

OMG!!! Is it just an adelaide thing, or do we not think about transport infastructure until AFTER everything is built.
As far as Mawson Lakes/Salisbury and Port Adelaide are concerned the 1980's might as well have been the 1800's such is the developement since.As for the previous line being closed due to lack of demand?..well if the govenment had its way, the entire rail system would have been closed due to lack of demand. As for the train corridor running parallel with the PREXY...yeh so what. Perth has a rail line running down the middle of its main Northern Freeway. the train is packed, as is the freeway. The South Road extension between the PREXY and Salisbury is already often at capacity,any bus route will get caught in this ever increasing traffic, at present the only way direct between the 2 is by private vehicle and therefore a rail connection to Port Adelaide, could encourage more residential developement in the Port with residents able to easily commute to the Northern suburbs for work..ie Mawson/Salisbury and Edinburgh Park which now employs thousands of people. Salisbury highway cannot cope with more traffic. Our train system needs to stop being so focused on the CBD, and interconnect other suburban regions,as well as the CBD and this would be a small start. As for a monrail??? Oh Aidan.. ., these systems work well at airports between terminals, but as mass transit, most places that have toyed with them have torn them down...Sydney being the latest example.

[train driver]

OMG!!! Is it just an adelaide thing, or do we not think about transport infastructure until AFTER everything is built.
As far as Mawson Lakes/Salisbury and Port Adelaide are concerned the 1980's might as well have been the 1800's such is the developement since.As for the previous line being closed due to lack of demand?..well if the govenment had its way, the entire rail system would have been closed due to lack of demand. As for the train corridor running parallel with the PREXY...yeh so what. Perth has a rail line running down the middle of its main Northern Freeway. the train is packed, as is the freeway. The South Road extension between the PREXY and Salisbury is already often at capacity,any bus route will get caught in this ever increasing traffic, at present the only way direct between the 2 is by private vehicle and therefore a rail connection to Port Adelaide, could encourage more residential developement in the Port with residents able to easily commute to the Northern suburbs for work..ie Mawson/Salisbury and Edinburgh Park which now employs thousands of people. Salisbury highway cannot cope with more traffic. Our train system needs to stop being so focused on the CBD, and interconnect other suburban regions,as well as the CBD and this would be a small start. As for a monrail??? Oh Aidan.. ., these systems work well at airports between terminals, but as mass transit, most places that have toyed with them have torn them down...Sydney being the latest example.

Passenger services did operate across the Dry Creek loop from Port Adelaide Dock Station (where the rail museum is now) and also from Outer Harbor to either Dry Creek station or On to GMH Elizabeth then back to Salisbury and then to North Gawler (now Gawler Central) and returning to Adelaide ( I use to drive the train).

You are right, some type of service needs to be introduce back across the loop to service the industrial area that has developed there, whether it's train or bus it need to happen and now, not latter, because a lot of workers get out at Dry Creek in the mornings and either ride their bike, get picked up by a mate and one gets a cab to go to work from there.

[claybro]

Preferably not bus. Buses compete for road space wih cars, and although PREXY is fast and free flowing., once you enter Sth Rd Extn and Salisbury HWY, traffic banks up. Salisbury HWY in both directions around the Mawson intersection is very conjested now, and it will only get worse once the Superway is in operation.Buses will take considerable time turning into the mawson interchange from Salisbury HWY and then back out onto the hwy to continue the trip. Seems a waste to have a rail corridor available and not being used.

[Hooligan]

Such a service used to exist, but was discontinued in the mid to late '80s because of lack of demand. And despite the development that's occurred at Mawson Lakes, theres still unlikely to be sufficient demand. The route is now parallelled by the PREXY, so journey times are unlikely to be competitive with driving. Plus conflict with slow heavy freight movements is likely to be even more of an issue now.

Yeah i totally agree, why provide PT when you can just drive to where you need to go?