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Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:18 pm
by Aidan
claybro wrote:OMG!!! Is it just an adelaide thing, or do we not think about transport infastructure until AFTER everything is built.
Delaying investment in infrastructure isn't just an Adelaide thing or even an Australia thing. In general it's a big problem, but in the context you're responding to, it's the most sensible decision. When there won't be a hugh demand until there's a change in land use that isn't imminent and doesn't bring the net benefits to make it worth encouraging, there's no justification for expensive new infrastructure - especially when there are other places in Adelaide that do have a real need for better transport infrastructure.
As far as Mawson Lakes/Salisbury and Port Adelaide are concerned the 1980's might as well have been the 1800's such is the development since.
Mawson Lakes has certainly changed a lot since it was just Technology Park and empty fields, but the changes in Port Adelaide and Salisbury weren't that big.
As for the previous line being closed due to lack of demand?..well if the govenment had its way, the entire rail system would have been closed due to lack of demand.
That was
never the case in Adelaide. You might be thinking of Perth.
As for the train corridor running parallel with the PREXY...yeh so what. Perth has a rail line running down the middle of its main Northern Freeway. the train is packed, as is the freeway.
Yes, because they both go to the CBD, where there's a very high concentration of demand. A railway that doesn't serve destinations with such a high concentration of demand can not attract passengers anywhere near as easily.
The South Road extension between the PREXY and Salisbury is already often at capacity,
And that problem will be solved when the Northern Connector is constructed.
any bus route will get caught in this ever increasing traffic,
Firstly, being delayed by traffic a few minutes is not that big a problem. Secondly that's not the only way buses could go - they could use the Dry Creek crossing instead and go straight onto Cormack Road.
at present the only way direct between the 2 is by private vehicle and therefore a rail connection to Port Adelaide, could encourage more residential developement in the Port with residents able to easily commute to the Northern suburbs for work..ie Mawson/Salisbury and Edinburgh Park which now employs thousands of people. Salisbury highway cannot cope with more traffic.
A good bus link is definitely needed, but a train service there is currently not.
Our train system needs to stop being so focused on the CBD, and interconnect other suburban regions,as well as the CBD and this would be a small start.
That would be a fair comment for the Outer Harbour line, but the Gawler line is not overly focussed on the CBD.
As for a monrail??? Oh Aidan..
., these systems work well at airports between terminals, but as mass transit, most places that have toyed with them have torn them down...Sydney being the latest example.
Japan has had great success with monorails as mass transit. As for the Sydney monorail, the high fares and the route avoiding Central station have prevented it from properly fulfilling a mass transit function. The decision to get rid of it rather than fix those two problems is a disappointing one, and seems to have more to do with the convention centre redevelopment than Sydney's transport needs. But (Simpsons aside) the only other monorails I can think of that've been torn down are Birmingham, UK (an experimental Maglev that carried passengers for over a decade until it became to expensive to maintain, and was later replaced by something else) and Brisbane (where the monorail was only built for Expo'88, and was subsequently sold and moved to the Gold Coast). Can you think of any more.
Monorails are a specialist transport mode, and in the rare situations where an entirely elevated system is needed, they're by far the cheapest to construct.
Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:38 pm
by Nathan
Japan has had "great success" with monorails? How do you define great success? Sure the Tokyo Monorail has a high patronage compared to other monorails, but that's because it links Haneda Airport. The rest pail in comparison to the rail and subway networks.
Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:22 am
by monotonehell
DisneyWorld?
Re: RE: News & Discussion: Public Transport
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:05 am
by Norman
Monorails there are just part of their integrated network, they are not some sort of a tourist attraction
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Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:57 am
by train driver
When I said train or bus from Dry Creek to the Port, I wasn't suggesting the South Road connector, I was suggesting if it was a bus, then along Cormack Road to serve the workers in the industrial area that has developed over the years. Currently the nearest public transport is over on Grand Jct Road.
Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:00 pm
by claybro
Totally agree with the service accessing the Wingfield and dry creek area. But to be viable the service would also have to extend to Mawson/Salisbury and beyond to serve the booming industrial and population areas in the Salisbury area. With more residential and business opportunites in the Port, and the ever expanding industrial and residential areas north, the commute would become 2 way. This area as far as population and job growth is expanding at a much faster rate than the CBD, and some attention to public trasport would benefit this growth. The Port area is under developed and could benefit greatly by rapid access to the Northern suburbs. (and I dont mean bunging a couple of buses on the PREXY)
Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:48 pm
by bay transit
Light-City Buses is shortly to open a new bus depot in Wingfield(not sure of exact location) to replace Gillman and Bowden depots.
Would be an ideal opportunity to run buses from there to Mawson Lakes,could even on arrival at Mawson Lakes become an O-Bahn 501 service to Paradise Interchange and the City.
Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:18 pm
by Aidan
claybro wrote:Totally agree with the service accessing the Wingfield and dry creek area. But to be viable the service would also have to extend to Mawson/Salisbury and beyond to serve the booming industrial and population areas in the Salisbury area.
No it wouldn't, and it's not as if a single route can provide coverage to everywhere anyway. Mawson Lakes is the logical terminus. Anyone wanting to go further could transfer to another bus there, or a train there or at Dry Creek.
Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:36 pm
by Hooligan
train driver wrote:
You are right, some type of service needs to be introduce back across the loop to service the industrial area that has developed there, whether it's train or bus it need to happen and now, not latter, because a lot of workers get out at Dry Creek in the mornings and either ride their bike, get picked up by a mate and one gets a cab to go to work from there.
What if the Dry Creek line was just a spur off the Outer Harbor line or the Gawler line?
Re: News & Discussion: MetroCard System
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:19 pm
by muzzamo
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Re: News & Discussion: MetroCard System
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:04 pm
by muzzamo
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Re: News & Discussion: MetroCard System
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:03 am
by DM8
Tried the online top-up yesterday - works well. Takes until the next day for the credit to appear on the card, and when it's next validated, the yellow light comes on to indicate it has been topped up.
My only suggestion was that they include the ability to e-mail you a copy of the receipt when topping up online.
Re: News & Discussion: MetroCard System
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:37 am
by Allkai
Apologies in advance for asking a stuid question....
If the top up trigger is $5 (less than 2 trips worth), and it can take 24 hours for the recharge to activate, is it theoretically possible to run out of credit?
Should the trigger not be, say, $10?
Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport
Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:07 am
by claybro
Aidan wrote:Yes, because they both go to the CBD, where there's a very high concentration of demand. A railway that doesn't serve destinations with such a high concentration of demand can not attract passengers anywhere near as easily.
The WA oppostion as part of its election strategy is currently proposing rail lines that connect the middle suburban areas of Perth via new and connecting to existing lines.These are not densly populated areas, in fact far less density than Mawson or even Port Adelaide. This is envisaged to CREATE more developement in strategic areas North and East of the city. The cost of this is billions, mainly due to the contruction of new lines, and grade separation at highway crossings. Here, we already have a route, with an intact rail line, traversing some rapidly growing commercial zones, and connecting to lines servicing rapidly growing residential areas. If this were Perth, it would be a no brainer, but here we bung on another bus, and wonder why commuters wont use public transport.
Re: News & Discussion: Public Transport
Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:32 am
by [Shuz]
The economic situation in WA is vastly different compared to here. They literally have that much money they can afford to pave the footpaths in gold. It's no surprise that the Labor Opposition is taking to the election such costly schemes. The train tracks are probably made of gold too.