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#91 Post by kenget » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:20 pm

Does anyone know if they will provision the power lines in readiness for the electrification?

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#92 Post by Norman » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:25 pm

I would say the only provision for electrification in this project is the extra clearance provided in the underpasses for the overhead wires. They still have no idea if they should turn that line into electrified heavy rail or light rail, which is a discussion in another thread.

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#93 Post by skyliner » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:51 pm

IMHO they would be stupid to cut off possible electrification opportunities - esp. with more resi development out that way and the shipping development to come out near osborne - obviously dependent how much of the $50b investment actually eventuates. Plan for it!

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#94 Post by Norman » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:43 pm

Most of the ASC workers do and will continue to drive to the shipyards. ASC will have almost no impact on what happens to the line in the future. However, electrification is still 100% possible with this project, whether light rail or heavy rail.

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#95 Post by Hooligan » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:16 pm

Norman wrote:Most of the ASC workers do and will continue to drive to the shipyards. ASC will have almost no impact on what happens to the line in the future.
Mainly because there is no service available to them at their start time.

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#96 Post by Pistol » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:06 pm

Hooligan wrote:
Norman wrote:Most of the ASC workers do and will continue to drive to the shipyards. ASC will have almost no impact on what happens to the line in the future.
Mainly because there is no service available to them at their start time.
Exactly Hooligan.
The concept of public transport only works if you take the transport to the people, not the people to the transport.
With the volume of workers at Techport, you would suggest that it would be beneficial to undertake an assessment by the government into a spur line running directly to the ASC North/South sites.
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#97 Post by Norman » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:47 pm

How many people work at ASC/Techport?

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#98 Post by rev » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:43 pm

Let's build a train line to the rubbish dump. It can be a stop along the way to ASC/Techport.

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#99 Post by Kasey771 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:50 pm

Norman wrote:How many people work at ASC/Techport?
I understand it to be between 4-5,000. If they are running night shift it begins at midnight... I cant imaging DPTI would think its a good idea to run trains that late for the workers of one company. So cars it will continue to be for techport.
Big infrastructure investments are usually under-valued and & over-criticized while in the planning stage. It's much easier to envision the here and now costs and inconveniences, and far more difficult to imagine fully the eventual benefits.

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#100 Post by I Follow PAFC » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:55 pm

Kasey771 wrote:
Norman wrote:How many people work at ASC/Techport?
I understand it to be between 4-5,000. If they are running night shift it begins at midnight... I cant imaging DPTI would think its a good idea to run trains that late for the workers of one company. So cars it will continue to be for techport.
The last train gets to Outer Harbor at 12:52am.
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#101 Post by fishinajar » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:35 am

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Kasey771 wrote:
Norman wrote:How many people work at ASC/Techport?
I understand it to be between 4-5,000. If they are running night shift it begins at midnight... I cant imaging DPTI would think its a good idea to run trains that late for the workers of one company. So cars it will continue to be for techport.
The last train gets to Outer Harbor at 12:52am.
It's not just a matter of the last train to/from Outer Harbour, it's also about connecting services, how they get to/from home.
It is also a good 2km walk at least from either Osbourne or Outer Harbour platforms, a spur would reduce frequency of services to both ASC and Outer Harbour. The line could maybe be extended from Outer harbour around on the freight track to come up about 300m from ASC. All that being said, check google maps images around ASC, there's absolutely bucketloads of space for carparking. Even if any of these options were pursued, does anyone think that the workers would actually want to use it? I think probably not.

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#102 Post by PeFe » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:22 pm

A spur line to the Techport seems a great waste of money without a proven need.
What about a shuttle bus (paid for by the employer) to the nearest train station? If this proves a huge success then a spur line should be considered.
Realistically I think 99% of the workers at Techport would be car guys and girls......I don't think public transport would be an option for them.

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#103 Post by SBD » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:59 pm

PeFe wrote:A spur line to the Techport seems a great waste of money without a proven need.
What about a shuttle bus (paid for by the employer) to the nearest train station? If this proves a huge success then a spur line should be considered.
Realistically I think 99% of the workers at Techport would be car guys and girls......I don't think public transport would be an option for them.
The other end of the journey also needs to be practical. Adelaide's railways are set up to move people in and out of the CBD. It might work fine for workers who live close to another station on the Outer Harbor line, but what if they need to catch a bus to Elizabeth, Salisbury or Mawson Lakes stations, then a train to the city, then another train out to Osborne? Or Imagine wearing high-vis work clothes and walking from the O-Bahn bus stop to Adelaide railway station to catch an 11:30 train, and not feeling out of place!

In the 1940s, we ran industrial trains direct from where workers lived to major employers at shift times. The last industrial train that I know of was replaced by a bus in the early 1990s. The Kapunda to Penfield train ended much earlier.

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#104 Post by ChillyPhilly » Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:13 pm

Taken just now! Good progress being made. Image
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#105 Post by SouthAussie94 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:24 pm

That's the Park Tce crossing/bridge? I vaguely recall hearing that they're installing the bridge beams this weekend, can anyone confirm this?
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