News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

[Brando]

Let's not get confused between projections for Adelaide as a city and South Australia as a state!

[david]

After reading your information David I found that Adelaide's projected population for 30 yrs hence is 2m.with an increase of 560000 from now. Is it a fact that Adelaide now has 1 440 000. Currently I thought that it was well under 1 200 000 - where does your figure come from - surely not the Adelaide Statistical Division used by the ABS???

My figures came from a workshop I attended recently and I guess will not be 'firmed-up ' until the Greater Adelaide 30 Year Plan is actually released by the Government. The extract below from the Directions Paper comes pretty close to the numbers I used. The 2 million figure of course relates to the whole state and not just the area covered by the Greater Adelaide Plan. I hope this helps

The Plan will also incorporate the following key directions:
• Within the next 30 years Greater Adelaide can house 500,000 more people, nearly 250,000 new dwellings and 160,000 new jobs
• New housing will move over time from a 50:50 split between existing areas and new land divisions, to a 70:30 split

David

[skyliner]

David, firstly, if at all possible, can you post these figures on this site when you get them - I/we would be most interested. Secondly, your second dot point in red speaks of greater Adelaide (the ABS region called the Adelaide Statistical Division?) being able to house 500 000 more people - it does not say 'will house....' This seems to be the foundation of your comments as to Adelaide's later population, much as I like this to be the case. Lastly, what are the parameters by which your figues are presented? There may be an anomaly as to 'sources of our sources' and as a result we may actually be on the same page.

Thanking your for your time and efforts to keep in touch here.

ADELAIDE - TOWARDS A GREATER CITY SKYLINE

[david]

David, firstly, if at all possible, can you post these figures on this site when you get them - I/we would be most interested. Secondly, your second dot point in red speaks of greater Adelaide (the ABS region called the Adelaide Statistical Division?) being able to house 500 000 more people - it does not say 'will house....' This seems to be the foundation of your comments as to Adelaide's later population, much as I like this to be the case. Lastly, what are the parameters by which your figues are presented? There may be an anomaly as to 'sources of our sources' and as a result we may actually be on the same page.

Thanking your for your time and efforts to keep in touch here.

Skyliner,
Last November Paul Holloway announced his initiative to develop a 30 year Plan for Greater Adelaide as part of his complete shake-up of Planning in SA. As part of the announcement a Directions Document was released and that, together with the workshop I attended, is the source of my limited knowledge on this subject!

The best I can do is to refer you to the Government's Planning and Local Government website where all is revealed. The Plan is due for release for public consultation in Mid 2009
http://www.planning.sa.gov.au/

David

[david]

NOTES FROM COUNCILLOR Issue 26.pdf

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Latest edition of my notes following Monday's Council Meeting.
- Future of Local Government depends on its ability to adapt to change,
-Importance of Consultation (S-A please note),
-Bicycle event and City Farm petition
-Victoria Square Design Review Panel appointed and selected Design Team to be announcd Thursday.
David

[Howie]

Good read David, thanks for that.

[Prince George]

A Design Review Panel has been appointed to give critical and independent advice on the Masterplan design for Victoria Square. They are Catherin Bull, Philip Cox, Mads Gaardboe, Lawrence Nield and Malcolm Snow.

I had been hoping that we were going to see something with a more international flavour for the review panel - a Jan Gehl or the PPS, for example. We'll see what the design team announcement has in store for us ...

[SRW]

I had been hoping for some international input as well. That's not on account of some cultural cringe -- we're surely not bereft of ideas or decent architects in this country -- but because I believe some outside perspective, free and impartial, is always helpful. It's not enough to shop some academics or practising architects from interstate, either.

Having said that, the selected team are all very well qualified upon investigation. I've heard only of Philip Cox previously, both for his and his firm's work (the National Wine Centre, for instance) and his thoughts on vernacular architecture. Interesting indeed.

I'm eagerly awaiting more information...and hope that the process is gathering speed.

[skyliner]

As said by Howie, a good read David. Thanks also for your quick responses to the population questions that i put to you.

ADELAIDE - TOWARDS A GREATER CITY SKYLINE

[david]

Notes from Councillor David Plumridge - Issue 27
- Reconciliation Week
- Victoria Square
- Adelaide welcomes students
- Some recent decisions.......

NOTES FROM COUNCILLOR Issue 27.pdf

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[Queen Anne]

Thank you Clr Plumridge,

I'm interested by your comments regarding Victoria Square - that great works of urban design are not built by popular opinion or committee, and that we need to "pay high regard to the skills of the designers we have chosen".

Firstly, I'd like to point out that "we" didn't chose the designers, council did. And personally, I have never been keen on the idea that the Vic Square project would start with design. As an alternative, engaging with the public and other stakeholders in an inclusive idea building and visioning process (like in these links) can help create a public space of profound relevance to the community who will ultimately hold its success in their hands. This must happen before any design process begins. The 'community ideas competition' for Vic Square was not at all satisfactory public consultation, imo. The PPS approach (or similar) could have achieved so much more.

Knowing that there are options out there for deep public inclusion in square building, I am not especially happy to be told I must step back and let the experts get on with it..

Government in SA seems to go out of its way to keep the public at arms length: to tell us how things will be and who will be making it happen. I believe that the people of SA are a resource that is waiting to be utilised. And while we wait and wait, we get frustrated and cranky - which I suspect makes us look scary and unwieldy to government. This, in turn, inclines government to keep the public out of as many decisions as possible. This is a vicious circle, resulting in wasted opportunities. And, imo, Vic Square is an example of this state of affairs.

[Will]

Notes from Councillor David Plumridge - Issue 27
- Reconciliation Week
- Victoria Square
- Adelaide welcomes students
- Some recent decisions.......

NOTES FROM COUNCILLOR Issue 27.pdf

It is great that the ACC welcomes international students. Maybe this should be passed on to Councillor Wilkinson who appeared on TV last week saying that he would oppose further student apartments in the city because he thinks they will become slums in the future.

[AtD]

It is great that the ACC welcomes international students. Maybe this should be passed on to Councillor Wilkinson who appeared on TV last week saying that he would oppose further student apartments in the city because he thinks they will become slums in the future.

Oh god... he didn't, did he? Here we have all three universities being swapped by a tsunami of new applications, and the benevolent Councilor Wilkinson tells them all to take their money and go to Sydney.

Broad sweeping statements shot from the hip like that do nothing to shake of Adelaide's backwards, anti-development image.

[Ben]

Copied from the vic Park thread.

Simply STUNNING!!! Did we expect anything else honestly. I'm sure we can look forward to some new trees and Grass as part of the "Bold" Victoria Square proposal too. I'm so sick of things not being done properly. if you can;t afford to do it properly put it on hold until you can. Stop this band aid job of every single project the council touches: grote street upgrade, North terrace upgrade, rundle street upgrade, victoria park, victoria square. JUST BITE THE BULLET and do it properly in it's entirety the FIRST TIME!!!!


from The Messenger:

Victoria Park plan flop

by Adam Todd

VICTORIA Park’s long-awaited multi-million overhaul will likely be pruned to “grass and trees” after Town Hall dipped out on federal funding to help transform the former racetrack into a people’s park.

Lord Mayor Michael Harbison told the City Messenger this week the City Council had failed in its bid to secure $16 million from the Federal Government’s $550 million community infrastructure program.

“They said they’d run out of money in that particular program and had no money for Victoria Park,” he said.

Town Hall’s masterplan, announced in August last year and aimed at turning the 72 ha east parklands site into “one of the great urban parks of the world”, featured a plaza, wetlands, walking and bike trails, sports fields and a refurbished heritage grandstand.

The council set aside $4 million of its own money for the project, but budgeted for the remaining $12 million to be funded externally. “To get the whole thing done was on the assumption we’d get some help,” Mr Harbison said.

“But the broad strokes of it, which is the grass and trees, we can and will do just as soon as the SAJC is out of the way.

“$4 million means grass and trees but puts on the backburner too many buildings and so on.”

The City Council originally bid for $4 million from the Federal Government’s Regional and Local Community Infrastructure Program.

However, it upped its bid to $16 million the entire cost of the Victoria Park project in February when the fund was increased from $50 million to $550 million as part of the economic stimulus package.

Mr Harbison said the City Council would not seek private funding and also was unlikely to ask for State Government help.

“Our big focus where we hope to work with the State Government is Victoria Square,” he said.

Public consultation late last year revealed a clear majority of residents supported the City Council’s plan for Victoria Park, with only 16 per cent opposing it.

Meantime, the clean-up at Victoria Park is running months behind schedule.

As part of its agreement to leave the former racecourse, the South Australian Jockey Club (SAJC) agreed to pay for the demolition of the non-heritage grandstand, stables and the jockey and stewards rooms as well as the removal of track railings and judges towers.

In December last year, Town Hall said it expected work would start in January and take about three months.

Mr Harbison said there had been delays, but he was confident the park would be cleared by next month.

“It’s back on track again now, the SAJC has got a new contractor and the new board are keen to make a good impression so things are looking up there,” he said.

The post-Clipsal 500 clean-up has also taken longer than expected, with the last remnants of the V8 Supercar racetrack expected to be removed by next week.

[Mants]

It is great that the ACC welcomes international students. Maybe this should be passed on to Councillor Wilkinson who appeared on TV last week saying that he would oppose further student apartments in the city because he thinks they will become slums in the future.

Oh god... he didn't, did he? Here we have all three universities being swapped by a tsunami of new applications, and the benevolent Councilor Wilkinson tells them all to take their money and go to Sydney.

Broad sweeping statements shot from the hip like that do nothing to shake of Adelaide's backwards, anti-development image.

what kind of idea does this guy have? we should be encouraging more studants to choose to study in Adelaide over rival universities interstate and overseas.

it's no surprise that we get this kind of riff-raff on council, considering the applicants dont need to even be professionals in their field, as far as i am aware anyway.