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rev wrote:How many people here are actually qualified or educated(in the relevant fields) to be able to make submissions to community consultations?
Why would those experts, qualified and educated, who are paid, take the advice and opinions of members of the public into consideration if they aren't trained and just rambling on about how they don't want this and they want that, or they think this and that and blah blah blah..

We all have our opinions, views, ideas, thoughts, visions of what we'd like to see happen..but let's be honest, none of us are actual experts or people educated in urban transport planning or whatever. The only exception being Aidan I believe. Could be wrong.

It's one thing to object to an onramp being the view in your backyard, it's another to sit there and try and tell the experts who know what they've got to work with, and how much is in the budget, where there should be a tunnel, grade separation, extra lanes, etc.

Think about the fact that they actually have a complete picture of what's going on and what is possible and achievable. Then they have to work that within political constraints.

SouthAussie94 wrote:
For the most part I do agree, however the previous incarnation of the Darlington upgrade did have grade separated access to the SEXY for all traffic, completely removing a set of traffic lights. This proves that it is possible. Whether it is possible within the constraints of the budget allocated to the present plan, who knows. It most certainly is possible though.

rev wrote:How many people here are actually qualified or educated(in the relevant fields) to be able to make submissions to community consultations?
Why would those experts, qualified and educated, who are paid, take the advice and opinions of members of the public into consideration if they aren't trained and just rambling on about how they don't want this and they want that, or they think this and that and blah blah blah..

We all have our opinions, views, ideas, thoughts, visions of what we'd like to see happen..but let's be honest, none of us are actual experts or people educated in urban transport planning or whatever. The only exception being Aidan I believe. Could be wrong.

It's one thing to object to an onramp being the view in your backyard, it's another to sit there and try and tell the experts who know what they've got to work with, and how much is in the budget, where there should be a tunnel, grade separation, extra lanes, etc.

Think about the fact that they actually have a complete picture of what's going on and what is possible and achievable. Then they have to work that within political constraints.

rev wrote:How many people here are actually qualified or educated(in the relevant fields) to be able to make submissions to community consultations?
Why would those experts, qualified and educated, who are paid, take the advice and opinions of members of the public into consideration if they aren't trained and just rambling on about how they don't want this and they want that, or they think this and that and blah blah blah..

We all have our opinions, views, ideas, thoughts, visions of what we'd like to see happen..but let's be honest, none of us are actual experts or people educated in urban transport planning or whatever. The only exception being Aidan I believe. Could be wrong.

It's one thing to object to an onramp being the view in your backyard, it's another to sit there and try and tell the experts who know what they've got to work with, and how much is in the budget, where there should be a tunnel, grade separation, extra lanes, etc.

Think about the fact that they actually have a complete picture of what's going on and what is possible and achievable. Then they have to work that within political constraints.

rubberman wrote:

rev wrote:How many people here are actually qualified or educated(in the relevant fields) to be able to make submissions to community consultations?
Why would those experts, qualified and educated, who are paid, take the advice and opinions of members of the public into consideration if they aren't trained and just rambling on about how they don't want this and they want that, or they think this and that and blah blah blah..

We all have our opinions, views, ideas, thoughts, visions of what we'd like to see happen..but let's be honest, none of us are actual experts or people educated in urban transport planning or whatever. The only exception being Aidan I believe. Could be wrong.

It's one thing to object to an onramp being the view in your backyard, it's another to sit there and try and tell the experts who know what they've got to work with, and how much is in the budget, where there should be a tunnel, grade separation, extra lanes, etc.

Think about the fact that they actually have a complete picture of what's going on and what is possible and achievable. Then they have to work that within political constraints.

The answer to that is best illustrated by the example of a visit to the doctor.

The Doctor needs to know what the problem is, and why it is a problem before a solution can be offered. In most cases, it is the patient who is best placed to provide that information.

Public consultation is a means of ensuring that the experts are solving the actual problem, and not some problem they imagine, or assume.

Similarly, on-going consultation also ensures that the experts have not veered from the agreed path.

Also, many projects have to change scope during the project planning, design and construction phases. If these scope changes are worked through as part of a consultation process, believe me, there is much less grief for the "experts" involved.

GoodSmackUp wrote:heard along the grapevine that the water table is too high for the Torrens to Torrens trench so they're going to build another superway, has anyone else heard the same?

ChillyPhilly wrote:Surely not the case as they've done exploration drilling (and with that you'd expect in the right places too). We're hoping, anyway. Where did you hear this?

GoodSmackUp wrote:

ChillyPhilly wrote:Surely not the case as they've done exploration drilling (and with that you'd expect in the right places too). We're hoping, anyway. Where did you hear this?

from a delivery driver, not sure where he heard it from

contractor wrote:

GoodSmackUp wrote:

ChillyPhilly wrote:Surely not the case as they've done exploration drilling (and with that you'd expect in the right places too). We're hoping, anyway. Where did you hear this?

from a delivery driver, not sure where he heard it from

I would check your source.. if it was a Pizza delivery driver then most likely he/she is right.

warpspeed wrote:I heard on the radio today that the design for T2T has been modified such that the power substation won't need to be relocated and will remain in it's current location.

warpspeed wrote:I heard on the radio today that the design for T2T has been modified such that the power substation won't need to be relocated and will remain in it's current location.