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Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:06 pm
by how good is he
Rev, can you just be specific and give us examples of what you mean with some real life examples of what "much more iconic development should go there." I didn't say anything was remarkable or a particular standout about these developments but if you could tell us what you consider IS a remarkable or particular standout development that would suit these sites in Pt Adelaide, then we may better understand your point of view or be better informed.
My point is not a "anything is better than nothing mentality" but more about being realistic as its easy just to bitch and complain about any development, so maybe be constructive and show us your alternative?
Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:53 pm
by Patrick_27
rev wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:49 pm
how good is he wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:47 pm
Just to clarify your point, can you give us examples of what you mean with some real life examples of what "much more iconic development should go there." Its great to want/expect better of any new development but realistically what is proposed is far better than what is there now or has been on any of those sites for the past 50 years.
I wish people in this state would drop the something is better then nothing mentality.
What's remarkable or stand out about any of the developments in the area?
I wholeheartedly agree with you on this (finally, we agree on something!) That said, in the case of Port Adelaide, I wonder whether people's eagerness for anything to happen there is simply to avoid nothing happening at all which has been the case for years. However, I don't see any need to rush into developing this particular portion waterfront because once residents move into the neighbouring 'suburbs' currently under construction the demand for civic spaces and hospitality venues will increase and will inevitably see a better use of these kinds of sites.
Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:05 pm
by how good is he
Sorry but aren’t we talking about a proposed brand new hotel with bars, dining, accomm. ie a major hospitality venue anyway? If you want to pick on the architectural merit of the building I can understand that however I’m not sure what you expect to be built here? To Rev, saying iconic do you mean comparable to say the Guggenheim or The Louvre or The Shard or what comparable iconic building exactly would you want/expect built here?
Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:55 pm
by Neko Neko Peko Peko
I suspect Rev means iconic in regards to doing something more exciting architecturally. I realise the Docklands in Melbourne isn't really a successful example, but it's full of crazy buildings - each one isn't particular famous, but they are different and you can tell they've had some fun planning them. This is what I'd like to see done more at the Port instead of the bland predictable proposal
Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:34 am
by rev
What Neko said above pretty much.
We've lost the opportunity to turn the Torrens riverbank into something iconic and standout, we're losing a large portion of the inner Port area to housing/suburbia.
This little stretch on either side of the birkenhead bridge is the last opportunity to have some outstanding waterfront development on a major Adelaide waterway.
This buildings design has no inspiration. Its not a bad design, but the area deserves a lot better.
Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:45 am
by how good is he
Yes we can all agree that the proposals may be predictable, un-inspiring, bland, generic & its a missed opportunity for the last piece of waterfront blah blah blah. However what is far harder is giving actual examples of alternative buildings or developments that they would prefer here. Docklands is the only suggestion given so far and sure there are many buildings which are varied/quite different but I'm yet to think of a building there that would make much difference here, let alone be iconic. Any other examples of what we should be aspiring to here?
Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:58 am
by Llessur2002
how good is he wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:45 am
I'm yet to think of a building there that would make much difference here, let alone be iconic. Any other examples of what we should be aspiring to here?
I've said it before, Portsmouth's Spinnaker Tower (or something like it) would look awesome here:
It's 170m tall, would be an instant landmark and tourist attraction and would look great from cruise ships entering Outer Harbor. It also fits the dock setting perfectly.
Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:05 pm
by SRW
Port Adelaide is not gonna Bilbao its way out longterm decline.
Any project that brings life to the place is a welcome project. Only once life rebuilds there will the value of the place be recognised enough for the type of iconic architecture you're all coveting. We need to build up to it. This proposal is one step on the way.
Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:40 pm
by Honey of a City
The Port could get a massive profile boost with some creative lighting featuring the Birkenhead Bridge as the centrepiece. Upgrading the lighting on the lighthouse and surrounding buildings would also add significant vibe at least at night, for a relatively low cost.
Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:47 pm
by I Follow PAFC
Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:15 am
by rev
Honey of a City wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:40 pm
The Port could get a massive profile boost with some creative lighting featuring the
Birkenhead Bridge as the centrepiece.
No point polishing a turd.
Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 4:12 pm
by I Follow PAFC
$61,000 grant from SA Government Education Department.
NRM was delighted to receive news today that the SA Govt has allocated funding to enable the complete replacement of all of the skylights in the two exhibition pavilions at Port Adelaide.
The 31 year old museum pavilions, owned by the SA Government, had 'life expired' skylights and there was no other option but to have them replaced and with more resilient product. The risk of damage to the SA Govt owned rolling stock housed inside, in addition to museum owned locos and carriages due to the old skylights was just too great.
We are eagerly awaiting the big job, and also when the museum can reopen to the public in the future.
https://www.facebook.com/NRMPortAdelaide
Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 11:29 am
by rev
SRW wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:05 pm
Port Adelaide is not gonna Bilbao its way out longterm decline.
Any project that brings life to the place is a welcome project. Only once life rebuilds there will the value of the place be recognised enough for the type of iconic architecture you're all coveting. We need to build up to it. This proposal is one step on the way.
Sure. But there is no master plan that anyone is working from.
Dock One is its own development, and Fletchers Slip its own thing as well. Then there's New Port.
What's the plan for the existing heart of the Port?
We've got a plain jane hotel thats gone up, a government office building near the waterfront out of all places, and a new hotel proposal on the water front.
The latter three sure, more of with good design.
But Dock One, Fletchers Slip..from the looks of it they're going to turn parts of the water front into delphin island type suburbia. Thats not what the Port should become.
Its proximity to the beaches, the fact its on the water front of the Port River, makes it the ideal location for high rise apartments, night life, cafes, restaurants, hotels and so on. As we all know there's abundance of old hotels, some open some closed, that would all take off. Think of it as a new Glenelg type destination.
An ideal tourist attraction would be a Collins Class submarine being put on display when the first one us retired.
Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 12:49 pm
by Eurostar
Making the Port more family friendly area would be good. Kayaks/canoes, amusement arcade, sideshows, ferris wheel etc.
Re: News & Developments: Port Adelaide
Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 2:53 pm
by Patrick_27
With the recent stepping down of UoA Vice Chancellor and such, there was mention in the media that the university were seriously exploring a northern suburbs campus, and were having these discussions with City of Playford, most likely to position themselves in competition with UNISA at Mawson Lakes, however with Tafe at Port Adelaide touted for closure, I can't see why UoA wouldn't consider the Port? It's an emerging hub both for residential and possibly business, there would already be a campus-worth of facilities that the university could tap into and from the government's position, it would help strengthen the area in terms of day-time foot-traffic, might also create a student culture down there to help sustain some of the bars. I seem to recall back when Newport Keys was on the table that a university campus was part of that proposal, but I believe the idea there was to entice interstate/overseas institutions to set it up.