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Norman wrote:Thanks for your post. We already have a Trams thread where some discussion about the tram loop has already started. There has also been some consultation by DPTI about the route, which broadly follows your proposal.

Can a moderator merge the threads?

fishinajar wrote:

Norman wrote:Thanks for your post. We already have a Trams thread where some discussion about the tram loop has already started. There has also been some consultation by DPTI about the route, which broadly follows your proposal.

Can a moderator merge the threads?

Happy for discussion to occur over on Trams. Just thought that as it relates to different personal concepts as opposed to official proposals...

MelBrandle wrote:I think this proposal does look feasible in the sense that it would definitely help ease the traffic especially during the peak periods. It looks like not much changes need to be implemented onto the current layout too except several add-ons. Thus, it would mean lesser finances would need to be involved.

[Shuz] wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:08 pm

The western leg of the loop is the sticking point. Makes sense to go either down Morphett Street from North Terrace via on road sharing down the two slip lanes either side of the Morphett Street bridge and either through or around the sides of Light Square; or, alternatively down Gray Street through to Gouger Street. West Terrace is a bad idea for a tram route.

fishinajar wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:14 pm

Indeed Morphet St over West Tce would have many benefits. I was mainly attempting to tweak the current proposal to be a little better.
It should be noted however the West Tce alignment would pick up on the nRAH, Adelaide HS and would run adjacent to the nicer (non graveyard) section of the western parklands-this might open West Tce up for some increased development, and the parklands may become more activated over time etc.

ml69 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:47 pm

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ml69 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:47 pm

fishinajar wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:14 pm

Indeed Morphet St over West Tce would have many benefits. I was mainly attempting to tweak the current proposal to be a little better.
It should be noted however the West Tce alignment would pick up on the nRAH, Adelaide HS and would run adjacent to the nicer (non graveyard) section of the western parklands-this might open West Tce up for some increased development, and the parklands may become more activated over time etc.

This is my preferred route for the CBD tram loop. I think current proposals that take in Hurtle and Whitmore Square are missing one CRITICAL ELEMENT … they don’t pass the key destination of the Central Market/Gouger St precinct.



Here are my reasons for this preferred route:

1. All key destinations in the CBD are connected.
The proposed route serves all key destinations such as new RAH, North Tce, Old RAH/East End and Central Market/Gouger St which are connected in a compact efficient loop. This will make it quicker to get to/from these key destinations without detouring to lower patronage areas of the CBD.
What about the far SE and far SW corners of the CBD which would be beyond walking distance to a tram stop? These corners of the CBD are not high-priority redevelopment areas. The SE corner in particular consists mainly of detached/semi-detached dwellings and cottages which contribute to an attractive urban streetscape which should be preserved.
In addition, the Market to Riverbank link could well become the next major CBD precinct in the future. The proposed route serves this well with the Central Market stop.
2. Route Simplicity.
Really simple route that can be easily understood. Everywhere north of Grote/Wakefield St is within 400m walk of a tram stop. Sturt/Halifax St and Whitmore/Hurtle Sq are all within 500m walk of a tram stop.
3. Encourages future residential development along Grote/Wakefield St.
Imagine if the key CBD entry route from the airport (Grote St) and from the eastern suburbs (Wakefield St) were transformed from the current big country town appearance to that of a street lined with 10-20 storey apartments with a tramline down the middle? It would certainly dramatically improve the presentation of these key city streets. Frankin/Flinders St and Gouger/Angas St would also be big winners with this route.
4. Minimises traffic disruption in the CBD.
The proposed route runs down the widest streets in the CBD, thereby minimising traffic impacts on other more narrow streets. Morphett, Pulteney and Frome St are unaffected by the route. Currie/Grenfell St is freed up to become a bus route with no trams.
5. West Tce would have a right-of-way for Emergency Service vehicles to new RAH.
A useful by-product of the proposed route is that it provides right-of-way along West Tce for ambulances to new RAH from the southern and western suburbs during heavy traffic.