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#1351 Post by Goodsy » Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:03 am

bits wrote:
News corp is so lame.
For those with a different subscription:
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/mill ... 7596563101

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#1352 Post by bits » Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:23 am

GoodSmackUp wrote: adelaidenow is newscorp
I know.
The point is why is content locked based on where a user linked to. Eg this story likely came out of the advertiser arm then syndicated across news corp sites.
The content is available to adelaidenow users yet news corp tell the user they don't have a valid subscription (they do).

It is silly that news corp seemingly want to annoy their users until they stop using the service :)

Adelaidenow content should be available to their users regardless which news corp syndication was linked to.
Otherwise everyone will need to post 20 links to the exact same article just to match every users subscription.

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#1353 Post by SouthAussie94 » Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:44 am

THE $620 million Darlington road upgrade needs to be redesigned to stop residents from being trapped in their suburbs, local councils say.

The councils also argue the road will reduce the potential for jobs growth by creating a barrier between Flinders University and the Tonsley precinct, which includes research centres and businesses.

In an unprecedented move, Marion and Mitcham councils have called a joint meeting next week to pressure the State and Federal Governments to put the project on hold.

The upgrade includes creating a 2.3km, non-stop section of South Rd, linking Ayliffes Rd, St Marys, with the Southern Expressway.

Mitcham Mayor Glenn Spear wants to make it easier for cars, bikes and pedestrians to cross South Rd.

“If the freeway goes through, people in and around Bedford Park have a real problem getting out of their suburbs,” Mr Spear said.

“We believe this needs to be looked at thoroughly.

“We don’t believe (the government) has addressed all the residents’ concerns.

“The State Government is considering two consortiums to build the project and we are aware

that the design is yet to be finalised.

“South Australia will only have one chance to get the construction of the Darlington Road

upgrade right.”

An artist’s impression of the Darlington Road upgrade.
An artist’s impression of the Darlington Road upgrade.
Marion Mayor Kris Hanna said making it easier to travel between Flinders University and the Tonsley precinct was vital to attracting more companies to the area.

He said the Darlington upgrade was long overdue but needed to be designed in a way that would help create jobs.

“We have an opportunity to ensure the success of the Tonsley development by building

infrastructure at Darlington that is more than just a road,” Mr Hanna said.

“As mayors we have been left with little option other than to call a historic joint meeting of

Marion and Mitcham councils to find a solution.”

The Darlington project is part of a wider government plan to create a 78km freeway between Gawler and Old Noarlunga.

The Darlington section is scheduled to be completed by the end of 2018, according to the Transport Department’s website.

The Federal Government would spend $496 million on the Darlington project, while the State would contribute $124 million.

A spokesman for Transport Minister Stephen Mullighan said the government would consider alternative designs and make an announcement by the end of the month.

The joint council meeting is at Mitcham Council chambers on Monday, November 9, at 5.30pm
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#1354 Post by rev » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:51 am

That local council should STFU really.

A freeway is being built.
A freeway is not intended to have access from every side street, otherwise it wont be a freeway but a regular main arterial road.

Someone pass them the memo.

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#1355 Post by PD2/20 » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:50 am

rev wrote:That local council should STFU really.

A freeway is being built.
A freeway is not intended to have access from every side street, otherwise it wont be a freeway but a regular main arterial road.

Someone pass them the memo.
The councils' concern is not access to the freeway but access across the freeway.

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#1356 Post by fifty » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:19 am

Yeah, not really sure what the council's gripe is with this one. The most recent plans - which can still be varied yet - provide for access to Bedford Park from a new intersection off Flinders Drive. With the Flinders Drive bridge and intersections over the freeway, this facilitates all forms of across, north and south bound traffic for those residents in that area.

I think one clear improvement on the current plans, and this is maybe what the councils are getting at, is the connectivity between Flinders Uni/Hospital/Science Park area, with the new Tonsley/Mitsubishi site development across Sturt Rd. I think Flinders Drive where it joins Laffer Drive in Science Park area should continue alongside the police station to intersect with Sturt Rd across from Birch Crs. The current Laffer Dr intersection with Sturt Rd is removed and Birch Crs becomes one of the major access roads in to the Tonsley development, creating a single seamless connection between these two high-tech science based areas. This is also more conducive to developing single bike and foot paths from the train station across Sturt Rd and the freeway.

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#1357 Post by Patrick_27 » Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:03 pm

Whilst VERY costly, this is why I've always thought that relocating Flinders Medical Centre and Flinders University to Tonsley would be ideal.

Trains parallel with the site, opportunity to rebuild both facilities to the highest standard, etc etc.

*preparing for the onslaught*

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#1358 Post by monotonehell » Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:24 pm

Patrick_27 wrote:Whilst VERY costly, this is why I've always thought that relocating Flinders Medical Centre and Flinders University to Tonsley would be ideal.

Trains parallel with the site, opportunity to rebuild both facilities to the highest standard, etc etc.

*preparing for the onslaught*
Flinders' campus is notoriously isolated and difficult to get to.

But yeah, cost.
Exit on the right in the direction of travel.

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#1359 Post by Norman » Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:05 am

Flinders University to build $2bn precinct plan if its Darlington interchange upgrade goes ahead
By Tim Williams

A REDESIGNED Darlington interchange project would pave the way for a multi-billion dollar residential, education and business precinct in a proposal from Flinders University.

The university has submitted a plan to the State Government for the initial road project that it claims would be cheaper and faster to build and result in quicker travel times, while unlocking investment potential for more than 10,000 units and student apartments in an “urban village”.

Concerned by the roadway’s potential to isolate the Bedford Park campus from the new Tonsley precinct, Flinders engaged global consultants Perkins and Will to devise an alternative.

The plan includes broad “land bridges” over sections of an underground North-South Corridor — either side of South Rd — to ensure connections between the university campuses, Flinders Medical Centre and neighbouring suburbs.

The “bridges” and surrounding land between the hospital and Tonsley would become housing and retail strips.

Vice-Chancellor Colin Stirling said it was an opportunity to create a world class innovation and residential precinct.

“We would be capping 80m lengths of the road (and) above it we can have streetscapes spanning that 80m,” he said.

“We can create businesses, amenities, an urban village — a Norwood Parade of the south if you like.”

Under the plan the redesigned traffic corridor, without the land bridges that would be built later, would completed for $130 million less than the $620 million budgeted by the state and federal governments.

It would be completed in early 2018, six months faster of the current design, and travel times would be reduced. The current South Rd would remain open throughout the project.

Flinders would invest $250 million in new academic buildings, potentially including a an Innovation and Entrepreneurship Business School at Tonsley, and attract $400 million in private investment for student housing.

Combined with other housing and commercial developments on a mix on government and university land, the plan envisages 10,400 residential units and total investment of more than $2 billion.

More than 11,600 jobs would be created in the development of the 300ha area which would be labelled the Southern Innovation Precinct.

The plan also calls for the extension of the Tonsley rail line to the medical centre.

Mr Stirling said the current interchange design limited access between Flinders and Tonsley and would force the university to “re-evaluate” plans for further investment in Tonsley.

Economic Development Board chair Raymond Spencer agreed in principle with the Flinders plan.

“I have concerns about anything that simply draws a road through the middle of that precinct which doesn’t allow the natural linkages to grow,” he said.

RAA manager of road safety Charles Mountain said the RAA supported the idea “to improve connectivity” across the precinct as long as it did not impact on the traffic performance of the road corridor.

Transport Minister Stephen Mulligan said the Government had provided the Flinders proposal to the two short-listed consortia tendering for the interchange project to see whether they could incorporate “all or part” of it into their final design.

He said the state and federal governments would announce the preferred tenderer and design by the end of the month.

SA company York Civil was yesterday awarded a $3 million contract to upgrade the intersection of Marion and Sturt roads ahead of the major North-South corridor works.

What Flinders Uni fears most about the current interchange plan

Flinders University fears the Darlington Interchange road project will sever it main campus and the Flinders Medical Centre from Tonsley. So it has come up with ambitious alternative plan.


THE PROBLEM

The $620 million Darlington Interchange project is set to be a boon for southern suburbs commuters as a key link in the North-South Corridor.

But Flinders University is concerned that it will be an enormous trench with limited crossing points, isolating Flinders from its Tonsley building and the rest of the Tonsley precinct. It would also separate Flinders Medical Centre from Tonsley.

The university argues “innovation” precincts that drive economic growth thrive on easy access and collaboration between education and medical institutions and businesses. It views the current design of the road project as a threat to future investment and a missed opportunity to create a precinct that would attract the best and brightest minds from around the world.

Marion and Mitcham councils and resident groups are also worried about traffic headaches for their residents and suburbs being cut off from one another.


THE PROPOSAL

Flinders has an alternative design where the North-South Corridor is undergrounded either side of the current South Rd, which would be able to remain open to traffic throughout the works.

“Land bridges” up to 80m wide would cap lengths of the corridor, providing broad connections to land either side South Rd for residential and retail development and student housing.

This “urban village” would link the Uni and hospital with the Tonsley precinct.


COST

The proposal prepared by international consultants Perkins and Will claims the alternative roadwork plan could be delivered for $490 million. The $130 million saving could be put toward the land bridges.

The savings include $25 million for keeping open South Rd during construction, avoiding temporary road infrastructure, $10 million from reduced retaining walls, and $35 million from keeping most of the existing services below South Rd.

The plan also projects $200 million in future savings from a much smaller program of works required in surrounding streets.


TRAVEL TIME

The Flinders proposal predicts reduced traffic congestion and slightly faster traffic flows than the government plan allows.

Flinders argues this demonstrates a precinct integrating many uses — residential, retail, student housing, academic buildings and a rail extension to the Flinders Medical Centre — does not have to impact on the effectiveness of the North-South Corridor.


RESIDENTIAL

The plan envisages 10,400 units bringing more than 9000 new permanent residents and hordes of international students to live in the area.

Flinders would attract $400 million in private investment for student housing.

This fits with a 10-year plan for a threefold rise in international students.


JOBS

A whopping 11,500 jobs would be created in the development of the entire southern Innovation Precinct, stretching 300ha. The plan projects a total economic injection of more than $2 billion, the majority being private investment.


A GLOBAL EXAMPLE

Flinders Vice-Chancellor Colin Stirling argues there is the potential to produce “a world-class urban development project that will deliver real economic growth”.

“When compared against this opportunity, a conventional freeway simply doesn’t stack-up,” he says.

“Flinders University believes it’s possible to turn this standard road project into a visionary development that unites and energises communities, paving the way for a vibrant urban village that attracts inward investment, and creates jobs, homes and amenities for local residents.

“Which provides for seamless and flexible local transport unhindered by the expressway. And which, crucially, connects Tonsley to the Flinders medical and education precincts, thereby creating a globally significant Innovation District, attracting the world’s best businesses and talent to southern Adelaide.
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#1360 Post by Llessur2002 » Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:18 am

It's a yes from me.

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#1361 Post by fifty » Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:03 am

Ah..... and where and how does freeway traffic exit to access these wonderful communities? Of course transport speeds are higher when there are no exits! Plus, how do they envisage saving on retaining walls, when there are essentially two trenches and four walls? I smell some Gillman MFP here... renders look sexy but unworkable in reality.

I'm all for the concept of connecting Flinders and Tonsley, as per my earlier post. Land bridges is a good idea, particularly between the Flinders Dr and Sturt Rd bridges (which the Flinders renders appear to present), but also ii) Sturt Rd bridge and Ayliffes Dr intersection (trench would need to be extended). There is no reason this can't be done with the currently planned single central trench, so long as the landside South Road connectors are retained to allow freeway entry/exit. These would already be planned to be 60km/hr zones. Traffic calming measures along here can be used and speeds reduced to 50km/hr still to accommodate more human-centred uses along these strips. I agree the isolated triangles of current residential housing in Clovelly Park either side of South Rd are absolutely screaming out for redevelopment as student village, retail and housing in this scenario.

I can see a net benefit for extending the train line over Sturt Rd to the Science Park area, but don't quite see the costs of extending it over the freeway to Flinders being justified.

Hoping one of the bidders can incorporate some of the Flinders ideas in a more balanced way.

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#1362 Post by SouthAussie94 » Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:32 am

It would be interesting to see the complete plans for the Flinders proposal. The select renders leave quite a few questions unanswered.
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#1363 Post by Norman » Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:06 am

SouthAussie94 wrote:It would be interesting to see the complete plans for the Flinders proposal. The select renders leave quite a few questions unanswered.
Very true! Hopefully Flinders Uni does release more information.

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#1364 Post by omada » Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:50 am

I for one have always wondered why the termination of the Tonsley line remains where it is, surely the benefits of extending this to the Flinders Med/Uni precinct outweigh any costs?? Does anyone know the projected cost of this ? Was this detailed in either Flinders Unis plans or the interchange plans?

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#1365 Post by Ben » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:25 am

omada wrote:I for one have always wondered why the termination of the Tonsley line remains where it is, surely the benefits of extending this to the Flinders Med/Uni precinct outweigh any costs?? Does anyone know the projected cost of this ? Was this detailed in either Flinders Unis plans or the interchange plans?

This was in the original proposal but removed due to "funding constraints". it really is a no brainer to get on with it.

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