News & Discussion: Other Transport Projects

[ml69]

You guys do all realise that once the OH line is dedicated as heavy rail only, you can say good bye to any hope of trams for port adelaide, west lakes , semaphore and quite likely the closure of the 4 stations that constitute the grange spur. The whole North West light rail to those areas was based on OH line being converted or duplicated as light rail. They will not have 2 separate systems once OH is upgraded as heavy rail only.

Light rail could feed passagers into a central Port Adelaide train station, Trams don't all have to be connected into the Adelaide CBD.

Spot on. Port Adelaide and Woodville stations should be designed as key interchange stations which a Semaphore, West Lakes and Grange tram line feed into. These two stations should also support feeder bus services.

[Brucetiki]

Would consideration need to be given to coordinate the project with T2T. Not only to coordinate with the South Rd overpass but given Park Tce was upgraded so it could be an alternative route to South Rd, you would want to avoid any major roadworks on Park Tce until T2T is just about complete.

[Llessur2002]

Would consideration need to be given to coordinate the project with T2T. Not only to coordinate with the South Rd overpass but given Park Tce was upgraded so it could be an alternative route to South Rd, you would want to avoid any major roadworks on Park Tce until T2T is just about complete.

Hopefully this could occur at the end of the T2T surface road construction - excavating the sunken through road would presumably have little impact on the overall traffic flow at this stage. Granted traffic would still have to stop at intersections but it shouldn't be any different than the pre-T2T situation.

[claybro]

You guys do all realise that once the OH line is dedicated as heavy rail only, you can say good bye to any hope of trams for port adelaide, west lakes , semaphore and quite likely the closure of the 4 stations that constitute the grange spur. The whole North West light rail to those areas was based on OH line being converted or duplicated as light rail. They will not have 2 separate systems once OH is upgraded as heavy rail only.

Light rail could feed passagers into a central Port Adelaide train station, Trams don't all have to be connected into the Adelaide CBD.

Spot on. Port Adelaide and Woodville stations should be designed as key interchange stations which a Semaphore, West Lakes and Grange tram line feed into. These two stations should also support feeder bus services.

conversion to light rail of OH line would naturally create the possibility and public pressure to extend the services to surrounding suburbs. ( remembering Adelaides love of single seat journeys. ) If OH is heavy rail, that prospect will not exist, and the best you will get is buses feeding into interchanges, with the most likely first site Woodville, as it captures west lakes grange Woodville , woodville North etc. Rail to rail interchange would create an unnecessary expense for no real gain.

[EBG]

I don't know why the electrification of the Gawler line is not shovel ready enough to be part of last weeks Federal budget, after all it was supposed to be completed in 20013.
The only reason I can see is that the State government does not have the funds to cover its contribution for this project.

[metro]

I don't know why the electrification of the Gawler line is not shovel ready enough to be part of last weeks Federal budget, after all it was supposed to be completed in 20013.
The only reason I can see is that the State government does not have the funds to cover its contribution for this project.

Gawler electrification has gone past the shovel-ready stage, it has already started with most station rebuilds and overhead poles already up between Gawler and Salisbury. If it were a road project like T2T it would be like stopping works on South Road right now and leaving it all as it is for over 3 years and then proposing only half of the works might resume before the end of the decade.

[Norman]

Adelaide Airport has finally expanded its international screening point to two scanners. Hopefully this will solve the bottlenecks this section gets during peak times.

[Patrick_27]

not sure why they would move Bowden Station east towards Park Tce. No one lives in the parklands, and no one takes a train to the parklands. Id leave the station where it is because it will be in the middle of the Bowden midrise apartments in the next few years, and is closer to the Ent Centre/Hindmarsh Stadium etc

Not only that, but there's the less-utilised-but-still-used North Adelaide station a matter of metres away.

The original plan of a significant stretch of the rail line, along with Bowden station, both being underground remains far superior.

Why is this even a question? They're shifting it closer to Park Terrace to make the line more interchangeable.

[ChillyPhilly]

not sure why they would move Bowden Station east towards Park Tce. No one lives in the parklands, and no one takes a train to the parklands. Id leave the station where it is because it will be in the middle of the Bowden midrise apartments in the next few years, and is closer to the Ent Centre/Hindmarsh Stadium etc

Not only that, but there's the less-utilised-but-still-used North Adelaide station a matter of metres away.

The original plan of a significant stretch of the rail line, along with Bowden station, both being underground remains far superior.

Why is this even a question? They're shifting it closer to Park Terrace to make the line more interchangeable.

I didn't think its purpose as per the Bowden Urban Village was to be interchangeable. The Bowden station as it is already has some interchangeable qualities about it: the tram, North Adelaide station and buses on Port Road.

[Patrick_27]

IMO They should go all out and put the entire OH line in a trench

Like tunnelling this sector of the OH line, what good reason is there for trenching the line?

Tunnelling this section of line is a stupid and unnecessary expense all in the name of aesthetics. Go anywhere else in Australia and you'll find that they trai lines running through some of their nicest suburbs in open cut trenches.

[Patrick_27]

I didn't think its purpose as per the Bowden Urban Village was to be interchangeable. The Bowden station as it is already has some interchangeable qualities about it: the tram, North Adelaide station and buses on Port Road.

Perhaps it wasn't from an urban planning point of view, but for the people designing this project they were likely to see the logic in adding another interchangeable quality onto the ones you've just mentioned. By situating it closer to Park Terrace they can now catch buses heading east towards M/N Road and N/E Road and west towards South Road, there is quite a large small-business district that operates along these corridors.

[claybro]

Ok I'm confused. What bus runs past park terrace crossing on to main North and/ or northeast road?

[PeFe]

Ok I'm confused. What bus runs past park terrace crossing on to main North and/ or northeast road?

I am confused too......

Bowden Station functions as a train station like this....
1) services local residents/commuters (there are a few offices nearby)
2) services Entertainment Centre
3) services Coopers Stadium

Why move it? For what purpose? No-one wants to interchange to a bus on Park Terrace, the North Adelaide railway station is effectively all but closed..

Bowden Station should be rebuilt where it is as a showpiece tod station. A template for future developments around train stations.
Get it right now !

[claybro]

It seems to me, keeping OH as heavy rail creates as many problems as does changing it all to light rail. Changing to light rail would negate the need to underground any section thru Bowden, as light rail creates no where near the barrier of the heavy rail line. Look at how the tram runs seamlessly thru the lawn on vic square. They are much quieter too. Better for dense urban developments. Light rail of the whole corridor would also eliminate a clumsy rail to rail interchange (assuming the port/ west lakes area ever gets light rail once OH is upgraded in its original heavy rail format. Same for the situation with west lakes, where there is no perceivable way heavy rail will go down the boulevard to west lakes mall, or heavy rail down semaphore road ever again. Light rail is just far more versatile and flexible, and with the underpass of the freight line in the parklands, and direct route into the city, should not be much slower either.

[thecityguy]

Couldn't agree more with clay, light rail going through suburbs actually makes the area attractive, heavy rail is ugly and unappealing. To me light rail is a no brainer. No one wants to be swapping between heavy and light rail


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