News & Discussion: General CBD Development

[monotonehell]

Interesting that the east-west tide seems to have turned yet again. Used to be that Hindley was alive with entertainment and Rundle Street was mostly shops. Then restaurants became popular in Rundle Street while Hindley became a graveyard. Now Rundle is much more quiet than in recent years, while Hindley people are returning to Hindley.

[Nathan]

I actually think there should be an open (friendly) rivalry between the East End and the West End. It could benefit both, and help them solidify what makes them unique from each other.

[crawf]

Adelaide West End Association president Andrew Wallace said Hindley St east was ripe for an upgrade to capitalise on developments including the new Royal Adelaide Hospital, Riverbank precinct and nearby laneways.

“(But) you don’t want to lose the notoriety because that brings quite a bit of charm. You want its grit to remain,” said Mr Wallace, also the University of SA’s interior architecture program director.“(But) you don’t want to lose the notoriety because that brings quite a bit of charm. You want its grit to remain,” said Mr Wallace, also the University of SA’s interior architecture program director.

This is definitely a welcomed idea. Not only will it allow increased room for the tens of thousands of people that walk (or stumble) along Hindley Street every weekend. Though a redevelopment will attract new investment boasting the day time economy. Though whatever the plans are, Hindley needs to keep it's unique urban grit. Love or loath Hindley Street, every city needs a precinct like it.

Though instead of cramming everything into Hindley Street (e.g. new HQ club), I'd love to see Adelaide's nightlife spread-out through the city. Waymouth/Pirie and Gouger Street in particular, have lots of potential to become more active at night. Even Rundle Street could also do with a few more places aswell. This would not only take the pressure of Hindley Street, but spread out the vibrancy throughout the city.

[monotonehell]

...Though instead of cramming everything into Hindley Street (e.g. new HQ club), I'd love to see Adelaide's nightlife spread-out through the city. Waymouth/Pirie and Gouger Street in particular, have lots of potential to become more active at night. Even Rundle Street could also do with a few more places aswell. This would not only take the pressure of Hindley Street, but spread out the vibrancy throughout the city.

You mean like it is now?

[crawf]

...Though instead of cramming everything into Hindley Street (e.g. new HQ club), I'd love to see Adelaide's nightlife spread-out through the city. Waymouth/Pirie and Gouger Street in particular, have lots of potential to become more active at night. Even Rundle Street could also do with a few more places aswell. This would not only take the pressure of Hindley Street, but spread out the vibrancy throughout the city.

You mean like it is now?

Since the introduction of small bars there has been a positive shift away from the traditional Hindley and Rundle Streets. Though I've always thought Gouger Street in particular has alot of potential to become an even bigger player for the night time economy. Hopefully with Bohem, Market St Hotel and Kodo development this will start to drive this.

[PeFe]

Good article from the 'Tiser on current hotel developments and the economics behind it all...

Why are so many hotels being built in Adelaide?



PERHAPS the most intriguing aspect to the Adelaide hotel sector is not what we have right now, but what is in the planning.

Until the opening this month of the Holiday Inn Express on Hindley St — a gleaming 245-room affair aimed at the minimalist, high-end corporate market — the city centre has been short on new hotels which have notably failed to keep pace with residential apartments springing up across the CBD.

Plans can be many but what is in the pipeline will not automatically see the light of day, says Ronald Barrott, chief executive officer of developer Pro Invest which is behind the Holiday Inn. Hotels are expensive to get up and running.

“We research all cities across Australasia. Adelaide was high on our planning table,” he said.

“We see Adelaide as a quality city, it has a strong events calendar and tourism is getting stronger as to what the city and surrounding area offers. There’s the new hospital, convention centre and casino, things are happening here.

“The Sofitel and Langham would not be coming here unless they had the same thinking, it costs a lot to open a five-star hotel.”

Both projects have chosen not to go it alone and a strong residential component will accompany each build next year. The Sofitel to be developed by Daniel Palumbo on Currie St claims it will have 72 apartments sat atop its 250 hotel rooms in a $140 million development, so too the Langham at Glenelg which is aiming for 146 hotel rooms/suites and 49 residential apartments/penthouses amid its hotel component, residential sales offsetting the cost, and risk, of building.

Full article : http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/ ... 92694679dd

[mshagg]

Presumably there's also an element of flexibility in these 'mixed' developments, providing the ability to turn apartments into hotel rooms.

At least they're upfront about it, versus the "oaks model" which seems to be pretty widespread. I wasn't aware that say, Vision on Morphett, operated as serviced apartments until a colleague told me they were put up there for a work trip. The Rowlands seem to be predominantly (entirely?) short term accommodation, despite being billed as a residential development. Heck even Vue has listings on bookings.com. So when they say stuff like 'hotel growth is not keeping up with apartment buildings' I wonder whether they take in the full spectrum of accommodation options in the city.

[monotonehell]

Presumably there's also an element of flexibility in these 'mixed' developments, providing the ability to turn apartments into hotel rooms.

At least they're upfront about it, versus the "oaks model" which seems to be pretty widespread. I wasn't aware that say, Vision on Morphett, operated as serviced apartments until a colleague told me they were put up there for a work trip. The Rowlands seem to be predominantly (entirely?) short term accommodation, despite being billed as a residential development. Heck even Vue has listings on bookings.com. So when they say stuff like 'hotel growth is not keeping up with apartment buildings' I wonder whether they take in the full spectrum of accommodation options in the city.

Or perhaps we should look at it from the point of view that there is demand for short term accommodation exceeding that which the hotels can supply, hence businesses like Oaks supplying from adapted residential? "Proper" hotels seem to be needed, therefore they are being built. Meanwhile the stopgap is the less desirable adapted residential.

[how good is he]

The other thing is for a developer it gives them far more flexibility if they do apartments then hotel rooms as they are easier to sell and minimises their risk. Banks rarely lend to buyers if the property is under 50sqm [ie hotel rooms] and therefore it is better to make them bigger and add a kitchen etc so they can sell to the open market. Further hotel operators [like Oaks] are taking leases over apartments and then sub-letting them [with the developers/owners approval]. I think in the new West Franklin, Oaks have committed to 30 of the apartments already.

[mshagg]

Not sure if this is the right thread, apologies if already posted, but an electric vehicle charging lot has sprung up out of nowhere in the MEGA GRAVEL patch next to the bus depot. Some "bowsers" appear to be generic ACC branding, others Tesla branding. NB: the gentleman in the photo was driving a fossil fuel powered vehicle.

[Goodsy]

an interesting article

Young people with fresh business ideas are giving a new lease of life to a city that experts say is getting its mojo back.

https://www.commercialrealestate.com.au ... d-offices/

[Nathan]

Came across the website of Tribe Hotel in Perth, which is kind of an affordable boutique hotel, and it says they're opening one in Adelaide in 2018 (as well as Hobart). So... any guesses on where?

https://tribehotels.com.au/

The Perth hotel:

[Norman]

Came across the website of Tribe Hotel in Perth, which is kind of an affordable boutique hotel, and it says they're opening one in Adelaide in 2018 (as well as Hobart). So... any guesses on where?

https://tribehotels.com.au/

The Perth hotel:

It is/was supposed to be at 126 Wakefield Street

https://www.sensational-adelaide.com/fo ... 2&start=15

[Nathan]

It is/was supposed to be at 126 Wakefield Street

https://www.sensational-adelaide.com/fo ... 2&start=15

Ta, completely forgot about that one. Looks like the architecture is very similar. Perth one turned out pretty well in the end.

[Matt]

I'm all for some sort of lighting feature along the Riverbank, but these ideas just look so DULL.
I'm with council on this (for once).


https://indaily.com.au/news/2017/11/22/ ... ting-plan/