2018 South Australian State Election

[Goodsy]

this plugin works for me

https://github.com/nextgens/anti-paywall

[Llessur2002]

this plugin works for me

https://github.com/nextgens/anti-paywall

Works a charm!

[rev]

Yep works over here as well. Best addon ever. No need for incognito modes, no need for copying links or special text before a link, just click the article and that's it.

[rubberman]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sa-e ... 50276b0895

Anyone in this forum who thinks our economy is travelling well then read this. It makes for some very sobering reading, but nothing that isn't news to anyone that actually takes an interest in facts or understands economics.. ...

Make no mistake, if it wasn't for the GST equalization (welfare) policy then our state wouldn't look anywhere near as nice as it does now. The fastest growing industry for the past 2 decades has been the state government.

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It completely misses the point of Federation. It also misses the point of economics of Federal fiscal systems. If we listened to the Advertiser, we'd have the system they had in Europe, and the problem they have with the Euro. That is, the currency of some countries is far undervalued (Germany), and far overvalued (Greece). If the Advertiser thinks that's a great idea, I would have to disagree.

Let's show what I mean by an example. Let's say SA became independent of the rest of the country. We then set up our own currency. Let's call it the Dunstan, or Dunnie. What would happen is that the Dunnie would fall. Our exports of wine, university education, tourism would become much cheaper for those overseas, and those sectors would pick up. In addition, it would be more expensive to buy stuff from other countries, making it easier for local manufacturers to make stuff.

Let's also look at the other States, now free of SA. The Aussie dollar would go up, because there's no transfers to SA. That would mean their products would now be a bit more expensive, their tourist destinations as well. Their economies would shrink a little.

All the above is why New Zealand didn't join up. Their currency has always been a bit lower than the Aussie dollar, and that has supported their export industries.

So, the whole point of the financial transfers to SA and the NT (and previously WA) is that those transfers compensate for the advantages in currency exchange rates those States lose by joining a currency union.

Reading the Advertiser is not a good idea for economic analysis.

[rev]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sa-e ... 50276b0895

Anyone in this forum who thinks our economy is travelling well then read this. It makes for some very sobering reading, but nothing that isn't news to anyone that actually takes an interest in facts or understands economics.. ...

Make no mistake, if it wasn't for the GST equalization (welfare) policy then our state wouldn't look anywhere near as nice as it does now. The fastest growing industry for the past 2 decades has been the state government.

,
It completely misses the point of Federation. It also misses the point of economics of Federal fiscal systems. If we listened to the Advertiser, we'd have the system they had in Europe, and the problem they have with the Euro. That is, the currency of some countries is far undervalued (Germany), and far overvalued (Greece). If the Advertiser thinks that's a great idea, I would have to disagree.

Let's show what I mean by an example. Let's say SA became independent of the rest of the country. We then set up our own currency. Let's call it the Dunstan, or Dunnie. What would happen is that the Dunnie would fall. Our exports of wine, university education, tourism would become much cheaper for those overseas, and those sectors would pick up. In addition, it would be more expensive to buy stuff from other countries, making it easier for local manufacturers to make stuff.

Let's also look at the other States, now free of SA. The Aussie dollar would go up, because there's no transfers to SA. That would mean their products would now be a bit more expensive, their tourist destinations as well. Their economies would shrink a little.

All the above is why New Zealand didn't join up. Their currency has always been a bit lower than the Aussie dollar, and that has supported their export industries.

So, the whole point of the financial transfers to SA and the NT (and previously WA) is that those transfers compensate for the advantages in currency exchange rates those States lose by joining a currency union.

Reading the Advertiser is not a good idea for economic analysis.

I notice you didn't dispute his statement that the economy isn't traveling well.
We aren't prospering and a far from it.
Sure the Shahins and various high paid government employees are traveling well, but the majority of the state is not.
A good indication of the general populace struggling is the fact that more are now reliant on charity, even food charity, then before.

It's all well and good for the government to tout it's infrastructure builds, that's great, all much needed and long overdue.
But what about jobs and industries? Where are the jobs?
If there were jobs, and jobs that our young are interested in, they wouldn't still be leaving across the border in their droves.
If there were jobs, if there was economic prosperity, we wouldn't have more people reliant on charity and hand outs then before.

We need government staffers and bullshit positions filled or created by their family, friends, and friends of friends(Labor is extremely guilty of this btw, if the Libs want to have a ICAC they should look at this first, but then they're probably just as guilty), to be cut massively. There's thousands of these people who have never held a real job, who have been professional political staffers their entire working life.
If we must grow the public sector, do so in areas that are needed. Police, fire fighters, ambos, nurses, doctors and teachers. People who actually deliver a service to the community and aren't leaching off the tax payer because their husband/wife, daddy, next door neighbor, uncle, cousin, whatever is a politician or deep inside the government.

[rev]

The Libs making policy on the fly again?
First they attacked the government because the tram work on King William/North Tce was causing traffic delays, then because there's no right turn from King William onto North Tce which would have caused longer traffic delays, and now they say they'll build the right hand turn....so traffic delays caused by the government = bad but traffic delays caused by them are good?
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sa-e ... 8594078a4f

Now they will "investigate" a Tram loop running to North Adelaide as well...

TRAMS looping around the CBD and a spur line heading north past the Adelaide Oval would be investigated by a new authority in charge of public transport under a Liberal plan.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sa-e ... d2fcce54e9

Holy shit these people really don't want to win government ever again..

[HiTouch]

THIS IS A DONKEYS IDEA!!! WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?!!

[Waewick]

Meh, Labor promised this kind on thing in '04 and only just worked out which spur to pork barrell.

In the end its ticked a box, proof always in the pudding.

Looking to election so all the promises can stop.

[Llessur2002]

proof always in the pudding.

*the proof of the pudding is in the eating

Sorry - massive bugbear of mine

[Llessur2002]

[rubberman]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sa-e ... 50276b0895

Anyone in this forum who thinks our economy is travelling well then read this. It makes for some very sobering reading, but nothing that isn't news to anyone that actually takes an interest in facts or understands economics.. ...

Make no mistake, if it wasn't for the GST equalization (welfare) policy then our state wouldn't look anywhere near as nice as it does now. The fastest growing industry for the past 2 decades has been the state government.

,
It completely misses the point of Federation. It also misses the point of economics of Federal fiscal systems. If we listened to the Advertiser, we'd have the system they had in Europe, and the problem they have with the Euro. That is, the currency of some countries is far undervalued (Germany), and far overvalued (Greece). If the Advertiser thinks that's a great idea, I would have to disagree.

Let's show what I mean by an example. Let's say SA became independent of the rest of the country. We then set up our own currency. Let's call it the Dunstan, or Dunnie. What would happen is that the Dunnie would fall. Our exports of wine, university education, tourism would become much cheaper for those overseas, and those sectors would pick up. In addition, it would be more expensive to buy stuff from other countries, making it easier for local manufacturers to make stuff.

Let's also look at the other States, now free of SA. The Aussie dollar would go up, because there's no transfers to SA. That would mean their products would now be a bit more expensive, their tourist destinations as well. Their economies would shrink a little.

All the above is why New Zealand didn't join up. Their currency has always been a bit lower than the Aussie dollar, and that has supported their export industries.

So, the whole point of the financial transfers to SA and the NT (and previously WA) is that those transfers compensate for the advantages in currency exchange rates those States lose by joining a currency union.

Reading the Advertiser is not a good idea for economic analysis.

I notice you didn't dispute his statement that the economy isn't traveling well.
We aren't prospering and a far from it.
Sure the Shahins and various high paid government employees are traveling well, but the majority of the state is not.
A good indication of the general populace struggling is the fact that more are now reliant on charity, even food charity, then before.

It's all well and good for the government to tout it's infrastructure builds, that's great, all much needed and long overdue.
But what about jobs and industries? Where are the jobs?
If there were jobs, and jobs that our young are interested in, they wouldn't still be leaving across the border in their droves.
If there were jobs, if there was economic prosperity, we wouldn't have more people reliant on charity and hand outs then before.

We need government staffers and bullshit positions filled or created by their family, friends, and friends of friends(Labor is extremely guilty of this btw, if the Libs want to have a ICAC they should look at this first, but then they're probably just as guilty), to be cut massively. There's thousands of these people who have never held a real job, who have been professional political staffers their entire working life.
If we must grow the public sector, do so in areas that are needed. Police, fire fighters, ambos, nurses, doctors and teachers. People who actually deliver a service to the community and aren't leaching off the tax payer because their husband/wife, daddy, next door neighbor, uncle, cousin, whatever is a politician or deep inside the government.

I'd say it's a given that the whole Australian economy isn't doing well. So, why pick out one state? NSW and Victoria are doing ok supposedly, but when you take out GDP growth due to immigration mainly to those states and the high cost of housing, they aren't travelling at all well.

So, I think that saying SA isn't traveling well is correct, but the whole tenor of the article was that we were doing worse than others. Just take out the effect of immigration and high house prices, and the picture changes completely.

[rev]

There’s a lot more job opportunities and economic prosperity in those states then in SA.
People leave for those reasons. Those states might not be beacons of economic prosperity and rainbows, but they are doing a hell of a lot better then us.

[rubberman]

There’s a lot more job opportunities and economic prosperity in those states then in SA.
People leave for those reasons. Those states might not be beacons of economic prosperity and rainbows, but they are doing a hell of a lot better then us.

Well, if we had another 300,000 migrants, there's a lot of jobs building houses and roads out near Two Wells.

Of course we'd be better off by having massive price rises for houses and traffic jams just like Sydney.

However, just to get it back on topic, which is the election. It was the Liberals under Tony Abbott who shut down the car industry. Can you recall the State Liberals opposing that at the time?

So, even allowing for the fake economies underpinned by unsustainable immigration and housing prices, the Liberals have to take a big slice of responsibility for shutting down the car industry.

[Jaymz]

There’s a lot more job opportunities and economic prosperity in those states then in SA.
People leave for those reasons. Those states might not be beacons of economic prosperity and rainbows, but they are doing a hell of a lot better then us.

Well, if we had another 300,000 migrants, there's a lot of jobs building houses and roads out near Two Wells.

Of course we'd be better off by having massive price rises for houses and traffic jams just like Sydney.

However, just to get it back on topic, which is the election. It was the Liberals under Tony Abbott who shut down the car industry. Can you recall the State Liberals opposing that at the time?

So, even allowing for the fake economies underpinned by unsustainable immigration and housing prices, the Liberals have to take a big slice of responsibility for shutting down the car industry.

Well as for overseas migration, S.A could do a lot worse than getting say, 10% of those every year. Currently we're attracting about 3 or 4 percent of new migrants and that's even with federal policies in place to try and funnel more of them here. At the end of the day, people don't move somewhere just because it happens to be "nice", but they go where the opportunities are.

Your point about the car industry is also incorrect. The Liberals hadn't been in power very long when Holden decided to pull the plug. The Feds just weren't prepared to keep pouring hundreds of millions of dollars (another form of welfare) into an industry that was unlikely to be profitable ever again. Other factors were the Unions negotiating extremely good conditions for the workers without any productivity gains, tiny amount of local cars being exported, massive brand choice nowadays in Australia and throw in the worlds most expensive energy prices to boot.

[Jaymz]

........ oh, and just a side note on S.A's population growth concerns. Our population currently sits at 1.7 million. I have no doubt in my mind that our population would've passed 2 million by now if it hadn't been for the State Bank collapse. It had a devastating effect and we're still suffering because of it now.