News & Discussion: National Broadband Network

[NTRabbit]

What the entire network should have been in the first place, what a shock. No need to stall it anymore now that Murdoch has Kayo up and running.

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300,000 more homes and businesses to become eligible for nbn fibre upgrade by ordering selected higher speed plans.https://www.nbnco.com.au/corporate-info ... peed-plans

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https://www.facebook.com/nbnaustralia/p ... 7985027019

[Archer]

So this isn't a General upgrade to FttP for the listed suburbs, you have to elect to upgrade to a plan based on "Home Fast" (100Mbps) if you're on FttN or "Home Super Fast" (200Mbps?) if you're already on FttC, in order to get the upgrade?

Ahhh... what about people who can't afford that, are happy with the speeds they have, but want the greater reliability of FttP so that their internet doesn't drop out every time it rains because the copper got wet again. (I use this example as I know people with exactly this problem, and still not in one of the listed suburbs to be eligable for this anyway).

So still not getting the proper network we should have, just the network for those who can afford to pay extra.

[ralmin]

While working from home, the speed at which you can upload and download files from work servers really matters. On FTTN, I'm currently paying $110/month to get 100 Mbps down and 40 Mbps up. I'd be happy to pay $50/month more, so $160/month total, if it gave me a stable gigabit connection. If it was available in my suburb I would sign up for this FTTP upgrade in a heartbeat.

The only thing I'd be unhappy about is that the residential "Ultrafast" is a 1000/50 plan, that is, it's locked to only 50 Mbps upstream. NBN are so stingy with upload speed. Download speed is important, but upload speed is also important, for high quality video calls, and for quickly sharing large audio/video files with colleagues. Fibre is a symmetric medium; there should be no technical reason why they can't provide the same bandwidth up and down.

Sure, they have business plans with more upstream bandwidth, such as 500/200 or even 1000/400, but they are too expensive... those will run you at least $300 or $400 per month. That's reasonable for an office with several people, not for a single person working from home. They're artificially price-segmenting, making businesses pay more for plans with more upload, to subsidise residential plans with less upload.

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One million additional homes and businesses to become eligible for full fibre.
https://www.nbnco.com.au/corporate-info ... full-fibre

[Nort]

If I were political about this, and an ALP supporter, I would be hugging myself with glee. This is 'workchoices' all over again. If the ALP catches the public mood on this, they might yet haul their backsides out of the fire. The only way the Coalition can avoid another workchoices debacle is to do a 180 on this. My interest is technical and financial only. personally I hope the Coalition 'gets it' on this issue before it is too late.

Are you serious? Do you think the many hundreds of people losing thier jobs daily in Australia currently, or the small business owners hanging on by their fingernails give a flyinfg"F" about broadband right now? Ask anyone on the street if they think we should be spending 40 billion on cable, and see the response. Regardless of if world economics or government policy is making people very uneasy about the future, one thing for certain, voters are going to punish the current government.

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Uh what you're forgetting is that in small businesses or any business, slow internet may may be the cause of frustration. That will reduce productivity. So yes, people care. It depends on who you ask on the street as well. I'm still shocked you choose to ignore all the information provided to you.

Information provided by which post? I get my information from speaking with people in the telecommunications industry and from the internet like everyone else. Some of the information parroted here is directly copied from the NBN/ government sites and is therefore not trustworthy. As for people on the street, without fail everyone I have spoken to at work this week is concerned about 1. How quiet there companys are.2 How workers are being forced to take anual leave. 3. How much thier costs have increased (rent electricity etc.).... The broadband did not come up in converstion even once. So the previous post about some kind of Labour revival on the back of NBN is completely out of touch and just re-inforces the politicisation of the whole subject.

Whenever this thread is bumped it's always a fun reminder of how the 2020 on period thoroughly destroyed, ground into the earth, and built a park over the arguments people were making a decade ago that there was no value in ensuring that pretty much every household has access to high speed internet.

[rev]

So this isn't a General upgrade to FttP for the listed suburbs, you have to elect to upgrade to a plan based on "Home Fast" (100Mbps) if you're on FttN or "Home Super Fast" (200Mbps?) if you're already on FttC, in order to get the upgrade?

Ahhh... what about people who can't afford that, are happy with the speeds they have, but want the greater reliability of FttP so that their internet doesn't drop out every time it rains because the copper got wet again. (I use this example as I know people with exactly this problem, and still not in one of the listed suburbs to be eligable for this anyway).

So still not getting the proper network we should have, just the network for those who can afford to pay extra.

My ISP recently rang me to offer me the new upgrade.
They offer it to you as if it's actually free. But if you press them for more information, and ask some key questions, they'll tell you that it's likely going to cost you.
It all depends on if the NBN techs are able to do a straightforward job as to how much its going to cost.
Whose going to pay for the fibre to be brought into your property? You are, I was told.
I asked where's it all going to be located? I was told depends where the techs are able to put it all.

It's not actually free as they advertise.

Fibre into the home is what SHOUD have been rolled out to begin with, as was planned under Labor, until Turnbull fucked it all up.
Thanks a lot you multi-millionaire cunt with your harborside mansion.

[ChillyPhilly]

So this isn't a General upgrade to FttP for the listed suburbs, you have to elect to upgrade to a plan based on "Home Fast" (100Mbps) if you're on FttN or "Home Super Fast" (200Mbps?) if you're already on FttC, in order to get the upgrade?

Ahhh... what about people who can't afford that, are happy with the speeds they have, but want the greater reliability of FttP so that their internet doesn't drop out every time it rains because the copper got wet again. (I use this example as I know people with exactly this problem, and still not in one of the listed suburbs to be eligable for this anyway).

So still not getting the proper network we should have, just the network for those who can afford to pay extra.

My ISP recently rang me to offer me the new upgrade.
They offer it to you as if it's actually free. But if you press them for more information, and ask some key questions, they'll tell you that it's likely going to cost you.
It all depends on if the NBN techs are able to do a straightforward job as to how much its going to cost.
Whose going to pay for the fibre to be brought into your property? You are, I was told.
I asked where's it all going to be located? I was told depends where the techs are able to put it all.

It's not actually free as they advertise.

Fibre into the home is what SHOUD have been rolled out to begin with, as was planned under Labor, until Turnbull fucked it all up.
Thanks a lot you multi-millionaire cunt with your harborside mansion.

Agree, but you can thank Uncle Rupert above anyone else.

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Bizarre NBN rollout sees Sydney residents quoted $10k for fibre internet upgrade their neighbours will get for free.
https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affa ... v7YerxdUQw

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Was going to get fibre but the nbn will pay for my driveway to be cut up but I will need to pay for it to be redone.

[Waewick]

Was going to get fibre but the nbn will pay for my driveway to be cut up but I will need to pay for it to be redone.

That's hilarious (not in a funny haha way)

I'm on HFC, which is great. As long as it isn't raining or windy or too hot

[SBD]

Was going to get fibre but the nbn will pay for my driveway to be cut up but I will need to pay for it to be redone.

I converted from Fibre-to-the-Node to Fibre-to-the-Home a few months ago. Despite the node having been a few hundred metres away, apparently most of the fibre was installed last year some time. On the day of installation, they only had to draw a fibre from the pit near the middle of my frontage (maybe middle of the street) to the junction pit by my driveway, then in the conduit to the house.

They installed a rather ugly amateur-looking white conduit up the outside wall of my house (the previous copper ran inside the wall) and I have no idea if the fibre in the ceiling is neat. The work inside the house is not exactly where I wanted it, but is neat and professional.

[Llessur2002]

I also had the conversion to fibre to the home a couple of months ago and had a similar experience - although we were already on fibre to the curb so there was no surprise that the extension needed was just a short one. We had already left a spare conduit in place from when we had our electricity supply undergrounded last year so there was no digging required.

Whilst the installers were friendly and polite, when it came to the building end of the install I got the distinct impression that they wanted to take the quickest possible route and get out of there. I'd read quite a lot of other people's experiences online before we had ours done so made sure I was present the entire time and made it very clear exactly where I wanted the fibre and boxes etc to be located before they started.

This involved some pushback and a couple of phone calls to "managers" but at the end of the day I ended up with an install I'm fairly happy with as opposed to conduit all over the front of my house which is what the installers would have done if I left them to it.

My advice to anyone who is thinking of getting the upgrade done is figure out well in advance what your preferred outcome is in terms of fibre routing/service box location and don't settle for anything less when the install happens. The installers will have absolutely no issue in running conduit all over the external walls of your house and drilling a service box smack bang in the middle of your front facade if they deem it the easiest routing. Once it's in you're going to have to look at it for the next 20 years.

I've seen some shocking pictures in online forums of NBN butchery to people's houses so make sure you are present for the install and be very firm about what you do and don't want to prevent it happening to you.

Other than that it's been a 10/10 from me for performance and reliability since the upgrade.

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Has anyone use Fixed Wireless ?