[VIS] Gifford Hill City ($7.5bn)

[Algernon]

Murray Bridge has at least one industry and an abundant resource, which is the basic essential of starting a city. It gets them to the starting line, not the finish.

In all likelyhood, this gets flogged off to retirees. No job? No worries.

In part the economic landscape has changed with the advent of WFH but it's not a solution. You'd be insane to go digital nomad in outback Australia.

[abc]

Murray Bridge has at least one industry and an abundant resource, which is the basic essential of starting a city. It gets them to the starting line, not the finish.

In all likelyhood, this gets flogged off to retirees. No job? No worries.

In part the economic landscape has changed with the advent of WFH but it's not a solution. You'd be insane to go digital nomad in outback Australia.

so Moonta Bay Mk II

I think I'd prefer York Peninsula over this

[claybro]

Fundamentally the Gifford Hill developers need to figure out what Gifford Hill is going to be known for. Seems like they're just banking on the build-it-and-they-will-come attitude towards housing.

I agree with what Algernon said. All things considered, tf are new residents going to do? Do the developers have a community employment plan? They need something like manufacturing, finance, or industry to be "independent" and not reliant on Adelaide. Murray Bridge is not independent.

Where WILL these jobs come from?? If that isn't sorted out the current idea of Gifford Hill falls apart, and will definitely need that rail link. I don't think this rail link is ever going to happen, too expensive and would undermine the fundamental Idea of what Gifford Hill is; an "Independent, second city". Why build a high capacity rail link to a second city which is supposed to be self sustaining and have no reliance on Adelaide?

Gifford Hill MUST be independent to succeed, they must have a plan, or just cancel the project

This should have been devised with the Liberals "Globelink"... now scrapped. With a logistics and warehousing precinct adjacent to rail and freeway infrastructure east of the metro area, this would make sense as somewhere to house workers so they were not commuting up and down the Heysen Tunnels every day on an already congested freeway. It would take some pressure off the Adelaide road network, and relieve some of the housing issues. Maybe if they intend to continue to grow Mount Barker and now Murray Bridge, it might be time to revisit some kind of logistics precinct somewhere along the freeway between Mt Barker and Murray Bridge.

[VinyTapestry849]

Fundamentally the Gifford Hill developers need to figure out what Gifford Hill is going to be known for. Seems like they're just banking on the build-it-and-they-will-come attitude towards housing.

I agree with what Algernon said. All things considered, tf are new residents going to do? Do the developers have a community employment plan? They need something like manufacturing, finance, or industry to be "independent" and not reliant on Adelaide. Murray Bridge is not independent.

Where WILL these jobs come from?? If that isn't sorted out the current idea of Gifford Hill falls apart, and will definitely need that rail link. I don't think this rail link is ever going to happen, too expensive and would undermine the fundamental Idea of what Gifford Hill is; an "Independent, second city". Why build a high capacity rail link to a second city which is supposed to be self sustaining and have no reliance on Adelaide?

Gifford Hill MUST be independent to succeed, they must have a plan, or just cancel the project

This should have been devised with the Liberals "Globelink"... now scrapped. With a logistics and warehousing precinct adjacent to rail and freeway infrastructure east of the metro area, this would make sense as somewhere to house workers so they were not commuting up and down the Heysen Tunnels every day on an already congested freeway. It would take some pressure off the Adelaide road network, and relieve some of the housing issues. Maybe if they intend to continue to grow Mount Barker and now Murray Bridge, it might be time to revisit some kind of logistics precinct somewhere along the freeway between Mt Barker and Murray Bridge.

I think these developers are on the same wavelength as what your thinking, hence why they keep insisting on "potential for South Australia's second airport".

[SBD]

What percentage of a "community"'s workforce is required just to sustain that community?

The Murray Bridge mayor was quoted somewhere as saying there's currently more jobs than potential employees. Large employers I can think of now include Thomas Food's new factory, as well as Big River Pork, Costa Mushrooms, various warehouse/logistics business in the Monarto South area, a new accommodation hotel at Monarto Zoo, The Bend. Kanmantoo Mine is only slightly closer to Mount Barker than to Gifford Hill. If the area develops a large potential workforce, it will become attractive to create or move other employers into the district to take advantage of an available workforce.

For "sustain that community", I mean employees whose jobs create the community including:
* Hospital and other medical and allied health
* Builders
* education workforce (childcare through university)
* aged care providers
* Council/engineering contractors to build and maintain roads, water supply, waste disposal, parks and playgrounds
* retail (supermarket and groceries, big box, hospitality)

[Benm16]

I feel like a second city would be a good idea to release pressure off of Adelaide but is Murray Bridge the right location, I don’t think so.

I feel like they should develop the Copper Triangle, joining Karina, Wallaroo and Monta into a second city. This area has access to the sea and the land between it and Adelaide is relatively flat so rail would be a lot cheaper and easier to build than building it through the hills. The rail line could also link to the new Riverlea development.

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I feel like a second city would be a good idea to release pressure off of Adelaide but is Murray Bridge the right location, I don’t think so.

I feel like they should develop the Copper Triangle, joining Karina, Wallaroo and Monta into a second city. This area has access to the sea and the land between it and Adelaide is relatively flat so rail would be a lot cheaper and easier to build than building it through the hills. The rail line could also link to the new Riverlea development.

probably not enough water on Yorke Peninsula to sustain a much larger population... its fairly arid, not too arid to grow grain but very flat, no catchment there

[SBD]

I feel like a second city would be a good idea to release pressure off of Adelaide but is Murray Bridge the right location, I don’t think so.

I feel like they should develop the Copper Triangle, joining Karina, Wallaroo and Monta into a second city. This area has access to the sea and the land between it and Adelaide is relatively flat so rail would be a lot cheaper and easier to build than building it through the hills. The rail line could also link to the new Riverlea development.

probably not enough water on Yorke Peninsula to sustain a much larger population... its fairly arid, not too arid to grow grain but very flat, no catchment there

There's a pipeline from Swan Reach to a holding tank on the top of the ridge at Paskeville, but it would be limited in how much water it could carry. There's also a supply from the reservoir near Port Pirie, but again, there can't be a lot of spare water available.

[VinyTapestry849]

I feel like a second city would be a good idea to release pressure off of Adelaide but is Murray Bridge the right location, I don’t think so.

I feel like they should develop the Copper Triangle, joining Karina, Wallaroo and Monta into a second city. This area has access to the sea and the land between it and Adelaide is relatively flat so rail would be a lot cheaper and easier to build than building it through the hills. The rail line could also link to the new Riverlea development.

nah the whole thing should be cancelled. I've done a 180 degree flip on my world view, keep housing limited so we can keep a small population. Adelaide should remain small

Murrary bridge is fine as it is!