[U/C] Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line

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[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line

#481 Post by Will409 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:02 am

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#482 Post by ChillyPhilly » Sun Aug 25, 2024 3:34 pm

The limited shelter at Port Dock has been rightfully roasted.
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#483 Post by Norman » Sun Aug 25, 2024 7:37 pm

Thanks for those photos Will. Those photos really like Port Adelaide look like its former namesake, Port Misery. Thankfully the new station is a lot more developed, hopefully this will be the driver of more development in the area.

Are there still timetables from when the original station was open?

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#484 Post by dsriggs » Mon Aug 26, 2024 8:17 pm

Man, the STA didn't even TRY to maintain their stations, did they?

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#485 Post by abc » Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:58 am

as someone who regularly caught the train in 1981, most of the stations were in a reasonable state of repair going by the standards of the time, however that particular line obviously was on the way out then so they didn't see the need to spend money on it
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#486 Post by [Shuz] » Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:22 am

dsriggs wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2024 8:17 pm
Man, the STA didn't even TRY to maintain their stations, did they?
I would rather have the extent of the former STA rail network which provided services to regional SA, Mount Barker, etc. and shitty stations than the current set up now with a massively reduced network and some bus shelters now.
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#487 Post by baytram366 » Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:54 am

Re. the very limited shelter at the new station, this completely failed the test on Sunday with the heavy rain and wind. Two of my friends were waiting there during the afternoon for a train and were completely soaked. The shelter, as we all knew it would, did nothing to protect anyone under it. The mesh walls are useless also and really need to be replaced with glass. I also noticed that there is no cover leading from the station to any parts of the bus interchange which also only has one shelter. Why?
That steel box at the front of the platform also serves no purpose and I wonder how long the murals will remain undamaged along with the information touch screens. I am hoping that the station overall will be cared for by the government and any damage fixed quickly But overall, it looks and feels cheap especially for a terminus. It could have easily been extended to the street next to the courts building and a proper station building built with perhaps a toilet and cafe integrated into the new building with the courts. At present, its hidden away in the backstreets and would be dark and lonely during the night. Overall, I was very underwhelmed by it. Just my thoughts.
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#488 Post by rev » Tue Aug 27, 2024 5:29 pm

baytram366 wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:54 am
It could have easily been extended to the street next to the courts building and a proper station building built with perhaps a toilet and cafe integrated into the new building with the courts. At present, its hidden away in the backstreets and would be dark and lonely during the night. Overall, I was very underwhelmed by it. Just my thoughts.
They could have used that "Jackets" building to form part of a new station building, added a local tourist & information centre inside, cleaned up that junk yard next to it and turned that end bit of Baker Street into a pedestrian plaza.
I still think they need to do something with the police & courts building and car park, a 5-7 level building with underground car parking, that would open up that current car park where at least part of it can be used to better connect the station to Lipson/Commercial..make it more accessible I guess.

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#489 Post by Eurostar » Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:08 pm

The traffic lights at Godfrey Street intersection should be looked into, it can take a while to get a green out of Godfrey Street and its a short green. Considering the bus routes that'll will now use that lights it ought to be looked into

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#490 Post by Spotto » Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:06 pm

[Shuz] wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:22 am
I would rather have the extent of the former STA rail network which provided services to regional SA, Mount Barker, etc. and shitty stations than the current set up now with a massively reduced network and some bus shelters now.
Just a side note, the STA only ran services outside of suburban Adelaide for the first 4 years of its existence, on behalf of the Feds as who owned those lines by that time.

For the remaining 16 years of the STA it served suburban Adelaide only.

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#491 Post by muzzamo » Wed Aug 28, 2024 11:49 am

baytram366 wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:54 am
Re. the very limited shelter at the new station, this completely failed the test on Sunday with the heavy rain and wind. Two of my friends were waiting there during the afternoon for a train and were completely soaked. The shelter, as we all knew it would, did nothing to protect anyone under it. The mesh walls are useless also and really need to be replaced with glass. I also noticed that there is no cover leading from the station to any parts of the bus interchange which also only has one shelter. Why?
That steel box at the front of the platform also serves no purpose and I wonder how long the murals will remain undamaged along with the information touch screens. I am hoping that the station overall will be cared for by the government and any damage fixed quickly But overall, it looks and feels cheap especially for a terminus. It could have easily been extended to the street next to the courts building and a proper station building built with perhaps a toilet and cafe integrated into the new building with the courts. At present, its hidden away in the backstreets and would be dark and lonely during the night. Overall, I was very underwhelmed by it. Just my thoughts.
I think it's because they have used "passive security" as a core principle in the design, which minimises blocked lines of sight from as many angles as possible. The idea is that this makes it safer for women at night etc, and it's probably true. Most stations/upgrades on the network from the last 10-15 years have been built this way.

Like so many things in government though, because they have prioritised this one of the core functions of the design ie keeping people actually dry has been lost.

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#492 Post by Honey of a City » Wed Aug 28, 2024 12:12 pm

muzzamo wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2024 11:49 am
baytram366 wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:54 am
Re. the very limited shelter at the new station, this completely failed the test on Sunday with the heavy rain and wind. Two of my friends were waiting there during the afternoon for a train and were completely soaked. The shelter, as we all knew it would, did nothing to protect anyone under it. The mesh walls are useless also and really need to be replaced with glass. I also noticed that there is no cover leading from the station to any parts of the bus interchange which also only has one shelter. Why?
That steel box at the front of the platform also serves no purpose and I wonder how long the murals will remain undamaged along with the information touch screens. I am hoping that the station overall will be cared for by the government and any damage fixed quickly But overall, it looks and feels cheap especially for a terminus. It could have easily been extended to the street next to the courts building and a proper station building built with perhaps a toilet and cafe integrated into the new building with the courts. At present, its hidden away in the backstreets and would be dark and lonely during the night. Overall, I was very underwhelmed by it. Just my thoughts.
I think it's because they have used "passive security" as a core principle in the design, which minimises blocked lines of sight from as many angles as possible. The idea is that this makes it safer for women at night etc, and it's probably true. Most stations/upgrades on the network from the last 10-15 years have been built this way.

Like so many things in government though, because they have prioritised this one of the core functions of the design ie keeping people actually dry has been lost.
Shelter issue could be partly fixed by roofing and partial screening of the large arbor which has plenty of seating and is a few seconds walk from the platform.

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[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line

#493 Post by Hooligan » Wed Aug 28, 2024 12:54 pm

muzzamo wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2024 11:49 am
baytram366 wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:54 am
Re. the very limited shelter at the new station, this completely failed the test on Sunday with the heavy rain and wind. Two of my friends were waiting there during the afternoon for a train and were completely soaked. The shelter, as we all knew it would, did nothing to protect anyone under it. The mesh walls are useless also and really need to be replaced with glass. I also noticed that there is no cover leading from the station to any parts of the bus interchange which also only has one shelter. Why?
That steel box at the front of the platform also serves no purpose and I wonder how long the murals will remain undamaged along with the information touch screens. I am hoping that the station overall will be cared for by the government and any damage fixed quickly But overall, it looks and feels cheap especially for a terminus. It could have easily been extended to the street next to the courts building and a proper station building built with perhaps a toilet and cafe integrated into the new building with the courts. At present, its hidden away in the backstreets and would be dark and lonely during the night. Overall, I was very underwhelmed by it. Just my thoughts.
I think it's because they have used "passive security" as a core principle in the design, which minimises blocked lines of sight from as many angles as possible. The idea is that this makes it safer for women at night etc, and it's probably true. Most stations/upgrades on the network from the last 10-15 years have been built this way.

Like so many things in government though, because they have prioritised this one of the core functions of the design ie keeping people actually dry has been lost.
Another way to improve security would be more frequent services which leads to safety in numbers.

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[U/C] Re: Port Adelaide Dock Spur Line

#494 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:24 pm

Will409 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:01 am
Vincent Bigiolli photos from the final week of train services to the old Port Dock station in 1981.
From those photos, the Adelaide platform is east of the Dry Creek platform. Does anyone know why they did that? It would mean the trains would cross one another because Dry Creek is in the east.

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#495 Post by Spotto » Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:42 pm

1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:24 pm
Will409 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:01 am
Vincent Bigiolli photos from the final week of train services to the old Port Dock station in 1981.
From those photos, the Adelaide platform is east of the Dry Creek platform. Does anyone know why they did that? It would mean the trains would cross one another because Dry Creek is in the east.
Was curious about this too and I stumbled on the work of modeller Gavin Thrum. Based on his research, all platform tracks converged onto one track they exited the station and weaved through the old yards and sidings. So technically it wouldn’t really matter which platform served which destination.

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His blog is quite old now, but he did a fascinating miniature build of the old Port Dock station and yard in its final years: https://thrumlington.blogspot.com/2015/ ... t.html?m=1

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