News & Discussion: Adelaide Airport & Airlines

[VinyTapestry849]

I think it is disgraceful that the only place you can fly overseas by Quantas is Kingscoat in the republic of Kangaroo Island. yet you could fly to Singapore and the restof Asia and Europe by Quntas back in the 1980's,

It’s is utterly disgraceful. And they have the the GALL to call themselves the national carrier.

Qantas’s behaviour is stateism (distaste for another state), typical elitism, and just textbook discrimination and lack of consideration

[rev]

I think it is disgraceful that the only place you can fly overseas by Quantas is Kingscoat in the republic of Kangaroo Island. yet you could fly to Singapore and the restof Asia and Europe by Quntas back in the 1980's,

It’s is utterly disgraceful. And they have the the GALL to call themselves the national carrier.

Qantas’s behaviour is stateism (distaste for another state), typical elitism, and just textbook discrimination and lack of consideration

I guess it comes down to profitability.
Although I'm sure there would be at least a couple of international routes out of Adelaide that Qantas could be profitable on.

[abc]

I think it is disgraceful that the only place you can fly overseas by Quantas is Kingscoat in the republic of Kangaroo Island. yet you could fly to Singapore and the restof Asia and Europe by Quntas back in the 1980's,

It’s is utterly disgraceful. And they have the the GALL to call themselves the national carrier.

Qantas’s behaviour is stateism (distaste for another state), typical elitism, and just textbook discrimination and lack of consideration

I think it just comes down to capitalism. If it were economic for them they would serve SA. Free markets, if there is such a thing in 2024, don't discriminate.

[dbl96]

I think it is disgraceful that the only place you can fly overseas by Quantas is Kingscoat in the republic of Kangaroo Island. yet you could fly to Singapore and the restof Asia and Europe by Quntas back in the 1980's,

It’s is utterly disgraceful. And they have the the GALL to call themselves the national carrier.

Qantas’s behaviour is stateism (distaste for another state), typical elitism, and just textbook discrimination and lack of consideration

Their loss. Outcome for them is that they’ve lost their market to Singapore Airlines.

And I don’t think that’s a bad thing anyway - Singapore Airlines is nice. I’m not sure what else Qantas would offer that we aren’t already getting from Singapore.

[Brucetiki]

I think it is disgraceful that the only place you can fly overseas by Quantas is Kingscoat in the republic of Kangaroo Island. yet you could fly to Singapore and the restof Asia and Europe by Quntas back in the 1980's,

It’s is utterly disgraceful. And they have the the GALL to call themselves the national carrier.

Qantas’s behaviour is stateism (distaste for another state), typical elitism, and just textbook discrimination and lack of consideration

Their loss. Outcome for them is that they’ve lost their market to Singapore Airlines.

And I don’t think that’s a bad thing anyway - Singapore Airlines is nice. I’m not sure what else Qantas would offer that we aren’t already getting from Singapore.

Besides the ability to redeem Qantas Frequent Flyer points, not a great deal.

I'd say the SQ service to SIN would be far superior to QF's

[Brucetiki]

I'm not sure that ADL-SIN would fail for QF.

It's a good opportunity for people to redeem Qantas points on an international flight without needing to fly interstate. This could also potentially feed into QF1 at SIN.

Plus having 2 international airliners offering ADL-SIN can only be good for airfares.

You can burn all your Qantas points of Emirates btw, they’ve got a partnership.

I’m not sure Qantas could support Singapore any more. SIA is just dominating the market and increasing frequency soon. I find it hard for the Qantas board to approve that route resuming.

Yep, but EK's taxes and fees and significantly higher than QF's, which diminishes the value of the points.

[VinyTapestry849]

Now less than a month till Emirates comes back. Hopefully we will get an A350 soon

[Ho Really]

Interesting no one here all day has mentioned Qatar's interest in acquiring a 25% stake in Virgin Australia.

For those not up to speed here's this mornings article in the FT.

Qatar Airways agrees to buy 25% stake in Virgin Australia
Australia’s second-largest carrier would return to long-haul flying as part of the deal

Philip Georgiadis, Transport Correspondent 17 hours ago

Qatar Airways has agreed a deal to buy a stake in Virgin Australia, the country’s second-largest carrier, the latest in a number of international acquisitions by the Gulf airline.

The deal will see Qatar Airways buy a 25 per cent equity stake in Virgin Australia from private equity group Bain Capital, which bought the carrier originally set up by Sir Richard Branson out of administration during the pandemic.

The two airlines said in a statement that the deal was part of a wider plan to eventually publicly list Virgin Australia, where Qatar Airways expects to be a cornerstone investor.

Qatar Airways is wholly owned by the Qatari government, and the deal will be subject to regulatory approvals, including from the Australian Foreign Investment Review Board.

Virgin Australia will return to long-haul flying as part of the agreement, and will feed passengers into Qatar’s hub in Doha on flights from Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth and Sydney on leased aircraft from 2025.

The deal will increase Virgin Australia’s competition with national airline Qantas, and comes after Qatar Airways had pushed the Australian government for more flying rights to increase the number of routes it can operate into the country.

“We believe competition in aviation is a good thing and it helps raise the bar, ultimately benefiting customers,” said Qatar Airways chief executive Badr Mohammed Al-Meer.

Virgin Australia Group CEO Jayne Hrdlicka said she did not take regulatory approval “for granted”, and would work to outline the benefits for Australia’s economy and aviation sector.

“This partnership brings the missing piece to Virgin Australia’s longer-term strategy and is a huge vote of confidence in Australian aviation,” she said. “Importantly, it will further strengthen Virgin Australia’s ability to compete over the long term.”

Virgin Australia was one of the most high-profile corporate collapses triggered by the pandemic when it entered administration in April 2020, after Canberra and shareholders declined to bail out the carrier.

Bain Capital bought the business out of administration in June 2020, and in January 2023 outlined plans for a flotation “when the timing is right”.

The deal is the latest in a number of deals for Qatar Airways, which has bought stakes in several airlines to help build the feeder network of flights into its Doha hub. In August it agreed a deal to buy a 25 per cent stake in South Africa’s Airlink.

Qatar Airways already owns a 25 per cent stake in British Airways owner International Airlines Group. It also holds 10 per cent stakes in Latam Airlines and Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific Airways, as well as 3.4 per cent in China Southern Airlines.

The airline is also working to close a long-planned investment for a 49 per cent stake in RwandAir, Rwanda’s state-owned airline.

What interests us, like QANTAS, Virgin will not be offering overseas destinations from Adelaide. One plus though could be cheaper fares. In my opinion cheaper fares will only come if there is more competition, like Turkish, and other new entrants and also the cost of fuel whether from oil or other sources. Qatar here is being very shrewd. By acquiring Virgin stock they'll circumvent restrictions on how many flights they are allowed into Australia. Of course now it's up to the regulators to make or break this deal.

Cheers

[Vasco]

Interesting no one here all day has mentioned Qatar's interest in acquiring a 25% stake in Virgin Australia.

For those not up to speed here's this mornings article in the FT.

Qatar Airways agrees to buy 25% stake in Virgin Australia
Australia’s second-largest carrier would return to long-haul flying as part of the deal

Philip Georgiadis, Transport Correspondent 17 hours ago

Qatar Airways has agreed a deal to buy a stake in Virgin Australia, the country’s second-largest carrier, the latest in a number of international acquisitions by the Gulf airline.

The deal will see Qatar Airways buy a 25 per cent equity stake in Virgin Australia from private equity group Bain Capital, which bought the carrier originally set up by Sir Richard Branson out of administration during the pandemic.

The two airlines said in a statement that the deal was part of a wider plan to eventually publicly list Virgin Australia, where Qatar Airways expects to be a cornerstone investor.

Qatar Airways is wholly owned by the Qatari government, and the deal will be subject to regulatory approvals, including from the Australian Foreign Investment Review Board.

Virgin Australia will return to long-haul flying as part of the agreement, and will feed passengers into Qatar’s hub in Doha on flights from Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth and Sydney on leased aircraft from 2025.

The deal will increase Virgin Australia’s competition with national airline Qantas, and comes after Qatar Airways had pushed the Australian government for more flying rights to increase the number of routes it can operate into the country.

“We believe competition in aviation is a good thing and it helps raise the bar, ultimately benefiting customers,” said Qatar Airways chief executive Badr Mohammed Al-Meer.

Virgin Australia Group CEO Jayne Hrdlicka said she did not take regulatory approval “for granted”, and would work to outline the benefits for Australia’s economy and aviation sector.

“This partnership brings the missing piece to Virgin Australia’s longer-term strategy and is a huge vote of confidence in Australian aviation,” she said. “Importantly, it will further strengthen Virgin Australia’s ability to compete over the long term.”

Virgin Australia was one of the most high-profile corporate collapses triggered by the pandemic when it entered administration in April 2020, after Canberra and shareholders declined to bail out the carrier.

Bain Capital bought the business out of administration in June 2020, and in January 2023 outlined plans for a flotation “when the timing is right”.

The deal is the latest in a number of deals for Qatar Airways, which has bought stakes in several airlines to help build the feeder network of flights into its Doha hub. In August it agreed a deal to buy a 25 per cent stake in South Africa’s Airlink.

Qatar Airways already owns a 25 per cent stake in British Airways owner International Airlines Group. It also holds 10 per cent stakes in Latam Airlines and Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific Airways, as well as 3.4 per cent in China Southern Airlines.

The airline is also working to close a long-planned investment for a 49 per cent stake in RwandAir, Rwanda’s state-owned airline.

What interests us, like QANTAS, Virgin will not be offering overseas destinations from Adelaide. One plus though could be cheaper fares. In my opinion cheaper fares will only come if there is more competition, like Turkish, and other new entrants and also the cost of fuel whether from oil or other sources. Qatar here is being very shrewd. By acquiring Virgin stock they'll circumvent restrictions on how many flights they are allowed into Australia. Of course now it's up to the regulators to make or break this deal.

Cheers

Since the Government doesn’t want to allow competition, good on them for being creative to offer more supply into the market and hopefully downward pressure on prices.


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[JCK98]

Interesting no one here all day has mentioned Qatar's interest in acquiring a 25% stake in Virgin Australia.

For those not up to speed here's this mornings article in the FT.

Qatar Airways agrees to buy 25% stake in Virgin Australia
Australia’s second-largest carrier would return to long-haul flying as part of the deal

Philip Georgiadis, Transport Correspondent 17 hours ago

Qatar Airways has agreed a deal to buy a stake in Virgin Australia, the country’s second-largest carrier, the latest in a number of international acquisitions by the Gulf airline.

The deal will see Qatar Airways buy a 25 per cent equity stake in Virgin Australia from private equity group Bain Capital, which bought the carrier originally set up by Sir Richard Branson out of administration during the pandemic.

The two airlines said in a statement that the deal was part of a wider plan to eventually publicly list Virgin Australia, where Qatar Airways expects to be a cornerstone investor.

Qatar Airways is wholly owned by the Qatari government, and the deal will be subject to regulatory approvals, including from the Australian Foreign Investment Review Board.

Virgin Australia will return to long-haul flying as part of the agreement, and will feed passengers into Qatar’s hub in Doha on flights from Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth and Sydney on leased aircraft from 2025.

The deal will increase Virgin Australia’s competition with national airline Qantas, and comes after Qatar Airways had pushed the Australian government for more flying rights to increase the number of routes it can operate into the country.

“We believe competition in aviation is a good thing and it helps raise the bar, ultimately benefiting customers,” said Qatar Airways chief executive Badr Mohammed Al-Meer.

Virgin Australia Group CEO Jayne Hrdlicka said she did not take regulatory approval “for granted”, and would work to outline the benefits for Australia’s economy and aviation sector.

“This partnership brings the missing piece to Virgin Australia’s longer-term strategy and is a huge vote of confidence in Australian aviation,” she said. “Importantly, it will further strengthen Virgin Australia’s ability to compete over the long term.”

Virgin Australia was one of the most high-profile corporate collapses triggered by the pandemic when it entered administration in April 2020, after Canberra and shareholders declined to bail out the carrier.

Bain Capital bought the business out of administration in June 2020, and in January 2023 outlined plans for a flotation “when the timing is right”.

The deal is the latest in a number of deals for Qatar Airways, which has bought stakes in several airlines to help build the feeder network of flights into its Doha hub. In August it agreed a deal to buy a 25 per cent stake in South Africa’s Airlink.

Qatar Airways already owns a 25 per cent stake in British Airways owner International Airlines Group. It also holds 10 per cent stakes in Latam Airlines and Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific Airways, as well as 3.4 per cent in China Southern Airlines.

The airline is also working to close a long-planned investment for a 49 per cent stake in RwandAir, Rwanda’s state-owned airline.

What interests us, like QANTAS, Virgin will not be offering overseas destinations from Adelaide. One plus though could be cheaper fares. In my opinion cheaper fares will only come if there is more competition, like Turkish, and other new entrants and also the cost of fuel whether from oil or other sources. Qatar here is being very shrewd. By acquiring Virgin stock they'll circumvent restrictions on how many flights they are allowed into Australia. Of course now it's up to the regulators to make or break this deal.

Cheers

Qatar can fly here as much as they like already as the government restrictions only apply to Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth. And initially Virgin's flights to Doha will be operated by Qatar anyway, so if Qatar wants to expand here, they'd probably just do it on their own, rather than getting Virgin involved.

[rev]

Why don't they fly here more then if there's no restriction?
Surely connecting flights with Virgin from the east coast aren't that hard? They code share dont they

[VinyTapestry849]

Our morning Qatar 777 arrival will disappear if this deal goes through

[Saltwater]

Our morning Qatar 777 arrival will disappear if this deal goes through

Good. It's ridiculous that one of the earliest flights into Adelaide once the curfew is lifted is also one of the loudest, and is only flying to Adelaide to circumvent regulations that restrict the number of flights they can operate to Melbourne. Bring it on.

As for Qantas opposing this tie-up, how many international flights are they proposing to operate out of Adelaide in the near term?

[Smithy84]

Extra flight to Fiji each week commencing April 2025.

[VinyTapestry849]

Our morning Qatar 777 arrival will disappear if this deal goes through

Good. It's ridiculous that one of the earliest flights into Adelaide once the curfew is lifted is also one of the loudest, and is only flying to Adelaide to circumvent regulations that restrict the number of flights they can operate to Melbourne. Bring it on.

As for Qantas opposing this tie-up, how many international flights are they proposing to operate out of Adelaide in the near term?

bruh. f you. Us plane spotters love that morning arrival