News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

[ChillyPhilly]

Looks like one addition by the State Government this week is a security guard at Woodlands Park in the morning peak.

[rev]

Looks like one addition by the State Government this week is a security guard at Woodlands Park in the morning peak.

They did promise to increase security on the network.
I don't know why they hire private security, and not get the Police Security Service to do it like they do in Victoria.
I could be wrong but the Police Security have more authority or powers then regular security guards? and I think they're in direct communication with the Police, so wouldn't that make the network safer for passengers as opposed to some poorly trained private security guards?

[ChillyPhilly]

Looks like one addition by the State Government this week is a security guard at Woodlands Park in the morning peak.

They did promise to increase security on the network.
I don't know why they hire private security, and not get the Police Security Service to do it like they do in Victoria.
I could be wrong but the Police Security have more authority or powers then regular security guards? and I think they're in direct communication with the Police, so wouldn't that make the network safer for passengers as opposed to some poorly trained private security guards?

I agree, but train security are generally now 'Prescribed Officers', so I believe there is a degree of authority.

[RetroGamer87]

I was under the impression that the greenway was shelved and that there was an albeit small possibility that it was going to be used for trains again. Guessing that thought bubble has been canned....

Different corridor I'd say. There is a more direct line between the Port and Dry Creek.

Surely there's a route they can find from Port Dock to the former salt pans that are going to be home to about 30,000 odd people in the near future? Spur the Gawler line off near there as well and continue it north past Bolivar and Burton, to Virginia, Riverlea and Two Wells..that new line could spur off towards Angle Vale as well.
These are only going to be the fastest growing regions population wise in Adelaide in the coming decades, if they aren't already.

They'll probably cover it with suburbs and townhouses and slightly too narrow streets and when it's too late they'll say "there's no room for a railway line".

[Cryptic]

From Peter Malinauskas on Twitter,

We’re preserving two rail corridors from the city to cater for future housing developments.

South Australia is building, our state and city is growing - and we need transport options so people have an affordable and accessible choice when it comes to travelling across the city.

Securing these corridors will unlock more transit options for the outer southern suburbs, which the Greater Adelaide Regional Plan (GARP) forecasts to grow by 23,000 homes, and the northern outer suburbs, expected to grow by 82,000 homes.

This is not about identifying projects, but about laying the bedrock for future planning – understanding the priorities that will inform our thinking and that of governments in decades to come, so that policy is uniform, informed and focussed, underpinning funding decisions for all major infrastructure projects in years to come.

[Spotto]

From Peter Malinauskas on Twitter,

We’re preserving two rail corridors from the city to cater for future housing developments.

South Australia is building, our state and city is growing - and we need transport options so people have an affordable and accessible choice when it comes to travelling across the city.

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Securing these corridors will unlock more transit options for the outer southern suburbs, which the Greater Adelaide Regional Plan (GARP) forecasts to grow by 23,000 homes, and the northern outer suburbs, expected to grow by 82,000 homes.

This is not about identifying projects, but about laying the bedrock for future planning – understanding the priorities that will inform our thinking and that of governments in decades to come, so that policy is uniform, informed and focussed, underpinning funding decisions for all major infrastructure projects in years to come.

An announcement to reserve rail corridors that are already reserved?

It’s nice to see lip service finally being paid to our rail future, but we need to BUILD IT today!!

[Hooligan]

What a load of shit, honestly… how did they just make an announcement of announcing nothing?

[PeFe]

We don't need to build north of Gawler.....there is heaps and heaps of vacant land between the Adelaide CBD and Gawler.... heaps.

And why split the Gawler line in 2 at the northern end?.....just no.....bad urban planning.

It's inevitable that the Seaford line is extended south, but the new stations should all be Tod's, and the McClaren Vale should be protected from future development.

Do we really have to compete with Perth for the title of largest sprawling, lowest density city in the western world?

[Spotto]

We don't need to build north of Gawler.....

We already are, the railways are playing catchup to what’s already underway.

And why split the Gawler line in 2 at the northern end?.....just no.....bad urban planning.

Because there’s development at both Roseworthy and Concordia.

[rev]

We don't need to build north of Gawler.....there is heaps and heaps of vacant land between the Adelaide CBD and Gawler.... heaps.

And why split the Gawler line in 2 at the northern end?.....just no.....bad urban planning.

It's inevitable that the Seaford line is extended south, but the new stations should all be Tod's, and the McClaren Vale should be protected from future development.

Do we really have to compete with Perth for the title of largest sprawling, lowest density city in the western world?

I'm no urban planner, but I'd think that bad urban planning is building new suburbs, with tens of thousands of new residents, and not providing public transport.

[[Shuz]]

That literally is one of the examples given in university of what bad urban planning is.

Adelaide absolutely littered with bad urban planning mistakes.

[Norman]

The line to Aldinga has already been reserved, and the lines to Roseworthy and Concordia already have tracks. I think the line to Sellicks Beach is new though.

[Spotto]

The line to Aldinga has already been reserved, and the lines to Roseworthy and Concordia already have tracks. I think the line to Sellicks Beach is new though.

The remnant tracks to Roseworthy and Concordia/Barossa haven’t been used in 20 and 10 years respectively, likely requiring a complete rehab or replacement of the infrastructure anyway. The corridor is what really matters.

[Patrick_27]

The line to Aldinga has already been reserved, and the lines to Roseworthy and Concordia already have tracks. I think the line to Sellicks Beach is new though.

The remnant tracks to Roseworthy and Concordia/Barossa haven’t been used in 20 and 10 years respectively, likely requiring a complete rehab or replacement of the infrastructure anyway. The corridor is what really matters.

Yes, but in the grand scheme of things, this is an inexpensive fix. To electrify these lines and provide additional rolling stock is likely where the expense is to reinstate these services. However, to take a leaf out of Melbourne's book, the services from Frankston to Mount Martha are diesel operated despite still existing within the metropolitan realm versus V-Line.

[rev]

That literally is one of the examples given in university of what bad urban planning is.

Adelaide absolutely littered with bad urban planning mistakes.

For those of us who haven't done an urban planning course at uni, can you elaborate on what you see as bad urban planning, or what is given as the example as part of the uni course please?

Large residential developments like Riverlea with no public transport I would think would be bad urban planning?
I wouldn't think extending public transport to an existing population centre was bad urban planning?

Maybe I'm wrong, or missed something else on the previous page