COM: Glenelg Tramline Upgrade

[AG]

they would have to do it so that the position of the doors along the tram are symmetrical as they are now, otherwise the bump-markings at each stop for blind people wouldn't work...

That's a minor issue that can easily be resolved, they had to do some reworking at some Perth train stations when they extended some of the platforms on the Joondalup Line to accomodate 6-car trains. I'm not sure whether the platform on the down at Glengowrie is long enough though, it's in a bit of a strange space.

[Will409]

The DOWN platform at Glengowrie is as long as it is ever going to get because it is in the middle of the depot triangle.

[Norman]

What about moving it to the oter side of Morphett Road?

[sam]

Whilst this is an old news article I don't know if we can count it as being accurate but perhaps we may soon see BankWest and Westpac with some Tram wraps...

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs. ... enDocument

Tram wraps have been part of the advertising landscape in Melbourne for years, and now Adelaide wants a slice of the action.

Independent out-of-home operator MediaNest has struck a deal with the Adelaide tram network to sell advertising packages on half of the city’s trams, prompting strong interest from local advertisers.

Paul Delaney, managing director of MediaNest, said he has been in negotiations to secure the deal for several months.

“It was a risk to give this a go, but in this game you’ve got to go out there and look for new signage opportunities all the time,” Mr Delaney said.

Tram wraps have become an iconic part of the Melbourne landscape, with boldly coloured executions forming moving billboards that have been well accepted by consumers.

And it seems the take-up by advertisers in Adelaide will be just as strong. MediaNest has secured advertising for the tram wraps from McDonald's, BankWest, Westfield, Clipsal 500 and City of Adelaide, with strong interest from other advertisers hoping to secure tram wraps early in the new year.

The ads are among some of the largest an advertiser can buy. The trams are 33 metres long and 3.5 metres high, and have prompted agencies to come up with eye-catching creative.

“Given the type of impact advertisers can gain in the CBD with this execution, its well worth the investment. We don’t want every tram wrapped because it would lose the impact,” Mr Delaney said.

MediaNest is a new player in the Adelaide out-of-home market, with Mr Delaney renaming his business, previously known as Paul Delaney Visual Communications, or PDVC.

Delaney was previously the state manager for EyeCorp and has also worked for rival outdoor operator Cody, also in Adelaide.

Delaney said interior panels of Adelaide’s trams will be available to advertisers from early 2008.

[PhilM]

So the Rann Government claimed that once the tram to nowhere was built those who spoke out against it would realise how wrong they were and fall quiet...

Well Pat, Mike and Kevin, you have built it, and it stands testament to the complete lack of vision of your Government .

We now have a system with too few trams that are too small, too hot and too unreliable, a system going NOWHERE. King William Street is a write off and don’t even think about turning right!!!!

Sure those on the Glenelg line don’t have to walk the extra 300 meters to the Mall but for the 95 percent of South Australians that don’t live on the Glenelg line, WHOOPI!

Incredibly your tram extension stops 400 meters before your latest folley, the Marg, announced while the extension to nowhere was being built! Go Figure!

You see gentlemen, it was not the trams I spoke out against, it was and remains your lack of vision!

Phil Moir

[AtD]

Please don't go posting this sort of political dribble in every thread you see fit.

[Will]

So the Rann Government claimed that once the tram to nowhere was built those who spoke out against it would realise how wrong they were and fall quiet...

Well Pat, Mike and Kevin, you have built it, and it stands testament to the complete lack of vision of your Government .

We now have a system with too few trams that are too small, too hot and too unreliable, a system going NOWHERE. King William Street is a write off and don’t even think about turning right!!!!

Sure those on the Glenelg line don’t have to walk the extra 300 meters to the Mall but for the 95 percent of South Australians that don’t live on the Glenelg line, WHOOPI!

Incredibly your tram extension stops 400 meters before your latest folley, the Marg, announced while the extension to nowhere was being built! Go Figure!

You see gentlemen, it was not the trams I spoke out against, it was and remains your lack of vision!

Phil Moir

The only person lacking vision is yourself. :wank:

[jk1237]

ah haha here we go again. Do you know Froggy, Philm? Its so amusing that after the huge success of the tram extension the only thing you have to argue is a 'lack of vision'. WTF, what is with this wank obsession with 'vision', lately. The line ends at a spot to allow future extensions, ie to meet up with the railway lines for possible light rail to the Port, or a loop around the city. Therefore the project was done with great vision.
Stick to the letters to editor and talkback radio, Philm. Thats where people who have no idea and do no research, mouth off their opinions

[rubberman]

While I think that the State Government has to be commended on the tram extension and on other infrastructure initiatives such as the Bakewell Underpass and South Road improvements, Philm has a big point about the lack of vision.

It is all very well to plug up gaps in the existing system, but can anyone tell me what is the plan for the next twenty years?

We all hear about global warming, and that is given as the reason why my elderly mother has to heave buckets to water her plants. Well, if global warming is the excuse for not having built water supply infrastructure in time to meet the needs of the community, could we perhaps think ahead about what global warming might mean for public transport? This is rather than, like with water, wait till nobody is allowed to drive their cars to the city, and then decided to upgrade public transport.

Should we be planning for major use of public transport because cars are likely to be banned or severely limited to reduce greenhouse gases? Should we be planning for subways like vienna or Prague etc etc? Should we be planning for tramway extensions? What would this system look like? If we are going to be planning for less cars due to the need to reduce greenhouse gases, what is the staging of these subways and tramways going to be?

If we knew some of the answers to these questions, then other questions that people on this board have been putting up will be answered. (These questions are about where trams might go and when).

I note that NormanGerman has a plan for public transport - now that is vision. If the Government came up with its own plan, then we could see what is proposed to be built, when it was going to happen, and how much it will cost and who is going to pay. If they had an overall plan, then necessary real estate could be bought as it came on the market over the years, rather than have a dogfight with owners at the last minute. If they had an overall plan, then special trackwork could be built into tram or rail lines to cater for the future extensions. (I mean if trams go north up King Wm st now, the whole service will need to be interrupted while special work is cut in, if extra services are put on the line, the existing stops won't be long enough for two trams at a stop at once, so the stops may have to be dug up and tracks realigned etc etc).


Or not. But that is the point. There is no plan one way or another.

If I might get into the politics. It is an indictment of a Government that has been in so many years that it has no long term plan for public transport given the challenges of global warming. It is equally an indictment of the opposition that it is so clueless that it has not thought to stand up in Parliament and expose this lack of planning by merely asking the Government to produce a plan, any plan, five years, ten years, twenty years, any old plan will do Mr Premier and Monster of Transport, just to show that you have thought beyond the next derailment. Why watch 'The Simpsons' when we have SA State Parliament?

[frank1]

I can't imagine either party maknig 20 visions. Imagine if the government decided to put in underground tunnels for rail or road underneath the city. It is a good idea and is incorperating a vision future growth, but would be critised for being a waste of money in the present. The only way visionary projects will occur is if the government is willing to take major risks that could possibly lead to their loss of power.

[Paulns]

The line ends at a spot to allow future extensions, ie to meet up with the railway lines for possible light rail to the Port, or a loop around the city. Therefore the project was done with great vision.

Totally agree... There seems to be plenty of potential for improvement of the tram line. Like people have said before, South Australia went through tough periods in the 90's. Its only now that we're slowly starting to reverse the trend in this brilliant state and reverse our fortune. The pending minning and defence booms are a testement to that. Projects such as the (frist stage, I hope) of the tram line extension are physical evidence that this state is beginnig to move out of that rut and forwards into the future with a vision....

As mentioned above this tram line still has plenty of potential despite the initial problems which almost every major project inevitably has.

[Cruise]

Can't buses go the same places as a tram line extension could FFS

[frank1]

Yeah, you are right buses can, but in my opinion are less efficient in the sense that trams go on tracks and don't have to weave in and out of traffic in peak periods i.e faster travel.

[Cruise]

Yeah, you are right buses can, but in my opinion are less efficient in the sense that trams go on tracks and don't have to weave in and out of traffic in peak periods i.e faster travel.

Dedicated Bus lanes would solve this problem, a lot cheaper than tram tracks

[frank1]

Yeah, you are right buses can, but in my opinion are less efficient in the sense that trams go on tracks and don't have to weave in and out of traffic in peak periods i.e faster travel.

Dedicated Bus lanes would solve this problem, a lot cheaper than tram tracks

True again, but trams add a certain street appeal and vibe about the city to encourage the use of PT that buses don't have.