Melbourne risks becoming 'a backwater like Adelaide': Brumby

[ynotsfables]

Guys gauranteed in 10 years time we 'll be laughing at the term backwater.
Serriously wake up look around you.
1.2 million population, bigger than Sanfransisco city and Yorkshire England.
Major car, wine, IT, submarine and military industries.
3 major world standard universities a highly educated city.
The South Australian film co-orparation has made numerous films seen around the world.
Famous for major sporting events and festivals.
A culture so rich we are described as the Barcelona of the south.
To top it off we are described as one of the best designed cities in the world.
We are leaders in renal transplants, cancer research, invitro fertilisation studies, along with cloning and mapping the genome. Florey even discovered penecilin he was South Australian.
We have a minning industry that will one day speak for its'self.
I can go on for ever.
Don't get conned or psychologically seduced in believing we are inferior, we are self sufficient and prosperous.

If anyone says otherwise they are only sledging us.
We're no more of a back water than Andrew Symons being a Monkey.

[AG]

What is the use in trying to find reasons to prove that Adelaide is a backwater if we want to make significant social and economic progress? It's just focussing energy on a problem, rather than finding a solution, and only by focussing on trying to find a solution to increase and retain our population and economic growth will we make significant progress. Things will change for the better when our state properly capitalises on an upcoming mining boom.

[Edgar]

Guys gauranteed in 10 years time we 'll be laughing at the term backwater.
Serriously wake up look around you.
1.2 million population, bigger than Sanfransisco city and Yorkshire England.
Major car, wine, IT, submarine and military industries.
3 major world standard universities a highly educated city.
The South Australian film co-orparation has made numerous films seen around the world.
Famous for major sporting events and festivals.
A culture so rich we are described as the Barcelona of the south.
To top it off we are described as one of the best designed cities in the world.
We are leaders in renal transplants, cancer research, invitro fertilisation studies, along with cloning and mapping the genome. Florey even discovered penecilin he was South Australian.
We have a minning industry that will one day speak for its'self.
I can go on for ever.
Don't get conned or psychologically seduced in believing we are inferior, we are self sufficient and prosperous.

If anyone says otherwise they are only sledging us.
We're no more of a back water than Andrew Symons being a Monkey.

Ok, so you've got all this potential, but ask yourself, why, why of all these capable potentials, are they still not enough to attract more people into SA, compared to VIC which basically have 'nothing', none of those? It is either the state government does not try hard enough or the we are not very welcoming?

We are a very welcoming state, but we are not pushing hard enough to put what we've got in the eyes of the world. 3 major Uni, but we need more, 2 major car manufacturer plants but they constantly face risks of closing down (in fact, the whole car manufacturing plants in Australia are).

Increase the population is one thing, but can the state handle the increased population? Take a look at India, high population but the country isn't growing, in fact it hasn't develop much for the past 50 years, where before that, it was regarded as the fastest developing cities in the world. The president for Singapore once said he wants Singapore to become like India, and 50 years on, Singapore is developed and India was still where it was 50 years ago.

In my opinion, we get the correct bunch of people in the forum that will shape what Adelaide would be like in the future. And that is what we need more in terms of demographic and population, at the moment, yes, we do get more senior citizens and they are largely very active in the 'NIMBYS GROUP OF COMPANIES PTY LTD'. If you can teach them how to use computer and the internet, maybe you can 'unnimby' them.

I think time will shape Adelaide on its own, as they slowly fade away, and more aggressive young generation like you and me here, we could change Adelaide. It won't be now, it won't after the 20 or so cranes have erected, but it will.

[AG]

Increase the population is one thing, but can the state handle the increased population? Take a look at India, high population but the country isn't growing, in fact it hasn't develop much for the past 50 years, where before that, it was regarded as the fastest developing cities in the world. The president for Singapore once said he wants Singapore to become like India, and 50 years on, Singapore is developed and India was still where it was 50 years ago.

Maybe a bit behind the current situation? India is one of the fastest growing economies in the world at the current time.

[JamesXander]

I didn't say things couldn't change.

The fact of the matter is we have a crappy population growth and also econmic growth. Our biggest events are the Clipsal and the tour down under. The menatlity is to preserve what we have.

I beleive Adelaide is a backwater. Most of Australia thinks Adelaide is a backwater and infact the youth of this state thinks Adelaide is a backwater.

Its gotta change.

How can things change if people like you continuosly say that we are a backwater? Do you understand the damage you are doing by continuing to say that we are a backwater?

The state has problems that require action, but if we want the state to change we first need to lose our negative culture. Things wont change if you tell your family and friends that we are a backwater. Investors wont be interested in investing here if they are continuously told we are a backwater.

From what you have posted it appears that you want this state to change; this is a good thing. But I want you to understand how self-defeating your constant attacks on Adelaide are. If you genuinely want the state to change, you have to stop calling it a backwater, and use more intelligent words such as "yes the state has problems but we are moving in the right direction (highlight something positive)...."

This state has great potential, but we will never realize it if we don't first lose our negative inferiority complex. If you want the state to change be positive about the state, and don't always put it down. Because constantly putting down the state does not help anyone.

Beleive me, I never put down this state to other people. I am the guardian of all things South Australian. But accept some certain things. And when I thought about it, like really thought about it, I accepted that SA is a backwater at this current moment. Ofcourse I won't tell my Western Australian friend that, I tell him that he can keep digging for gold in his state till it dislodges from the rest of Australia and floats off into the Ocean for all I care.


lol. I honestly think this talk about being a backwater is good. It will hopefully get people to accept change for the greater good.

[Edgar]

Increase the population is one thing, but can the state handle the increased population? Take a look at India, high population but the country isn't growing, in fact it hasn't develop much for the past 50 years, where before that, it was regarded as the fastest developing cities in the world. The president for Singapore once said he wants Singapore to become like India, and 50 years on, Singapore is developed and India was still where it was 50 years ago.

Maybe a bit behind the current situation? India is one of the fastest growing economies in the world at the current time.

Yes, slowly at current stage. It was once believed India could surpass the States and many other developed countries in the world if things were heading the right direction 50 years ago.

[Edgar]

I didn't say things couldn't change.

The fact of the matter is we have a crappy population growth and also econmic growth. Our biggest events are the Clipsal and the tour down under. The menatlity is to preserve what we have.

I beleive Adelaide is a backwater. Most of Australia thinks Adelaide is a backwater and infact the youth of this state thinks Adelaide is a backwater.

Its gotta change.

How can things change if people like you continuosly say that we are a backwater? Do you understand the damage you are doing by continuing to say that we are a backwater?

The state has problems that require action, but if we want the state to change we first need to lose our negative culture. Things wont change if you tell your family and friends that we are a backwater. Investors wont be interested in investing here if they are continuously told we are a backwater.

From what you have posted it appears that you want this state to change; this is a good thing. But I want you to understand how self-defeating your constant attacks on Adelaide are. If you genuinely want the state to change, you have to stop calling it a backwater, and use more intelligent words such as "yes the state has problems but we are moving in the right direction (highlight something positive)...."

This state has great potential, but we will never realize it if we don't first lose our negative inferiority complex. If you want the state to change be positive about the state, and don't always put it down. Because constantly putting down the state does not help anyone.

Beleive me, I never put down this state to other people. I am the guardian of all things South Australian. But accept some certain things. And when I thought about it, like really thought about it, I accepted that SA is a backwater at this current moment. Ofcourse I won't tell my Western Australian friend that, I tell him that he can keep digging for gold in his state till it dislodges from the rest of Australia and floats off into the Ocean for all I care.


lol. I honestly think this talk about being a backwater is good. It will hopefully get people to accept change for the greater good.

Can't rely entirely on the mining. The state government needs to put the profit from the mining market to good use. Build infrastructures and more facilities that would attract more people into the state.

I have always admire Singapore and the leadership of the nation. When it left the federation of Malaysia and set as its own independent republic nation, it has nothing. They basically start from scratch, no natural resources, nothing, just a piece of land, and now one of the most developed countries in Asia.

[SRW]

How can things change if people like you continuosly say that we are a backwater? Do you understand the damage you are doing by continuing to say that we are a backwater?

The state has problems that require action, but if we want the state to change we first need to lose our negative culture. Things wont change if you tell your family and friends that we are a backwater. Investors wont be interested in investing here if they are continuously told we are a backwater.

From what you have posted it appears that you want this state to change; this is a good thing. But I want you to understand how self-defeating your constant attacks on Adelaide are. If you genuinely want the state to change, you have to stop calling it a backwater, and use more intelligent words such as "yes the state has problems but we are moving in the right direction (highlight something positive)...."

This state has great potential, but we will never realize it if we don't first lose our negative inferiority complex. If you want the state to change be positive about the state, and don't always put it down. Because constantly putting down the state does not help anyone.

Exactly what I've been trying to put across. Sure, the other states are ahead of us. Sure, we might never be as big. But we've also got a great many positives and inherit advantages, and we are and will continue to progress. But that achievement will never be recognised — and the tag of 'backwater' will never be exposed as the bullshit it is — if this 'little Adelaide syndrome' is perpetuated, especially by our own citizens. It doesn't mean we shouldn't be critical of our failings, but we have to be proud of what we've got (and, even despite all failings, it's bloody all right) and excited/optimistic about our future. At this juncture in time, we have every reason to be.

[AG]

Can't rely entirely on the mining. The state government needs to put the profit from the mining market to good use. Build infrastructures and more facilities that would attract more people into the state.

I have always admire Singapore and the leadership of the nation. When it left the federation of Malaysia and set as its own independent republic nation, it has nothing. They basically start from scratch, no natural resources, nothing, just a piece of land, and now one of the most developed countries in Asia.

As have the nations and territories of Hong Kong, Japan and South Korea. The stories of the rapid development that these nations have undergone in the past 50-60 years with very few or no natural resources is absolutely amazing. Those places have had some of the greatest economic visionaries and still have some of the most innovative and creative business leaders in the world.

[Tyler_Durden]

Guys gauranteed in 10 years time we 'll be laughing at the term backwater.
Serriously wake up look around you.
1.2 million population, bigger than Sanfransisco city and Yorkshire England.

Please. San Francisco has a metropolitan population of over 7 Million compared to Adelaide's 1 Million. And Yorkshire, while it's not a city anyway, it's a County, has a population of well over 4 Million. If you want to use population as an indicator, try these US cities as cities with a population similar to Adelaide's.

Richmond, Virginia
Hartford, Connecticut
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Buffalo, New York
Birmingham, Alabama
Salt Lake City, Utah
Rochester, New York

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Un ... itan_areas

[ynotsfables]

Guys gauranteed in 10 years time we 'll be laughing at the term backwater.
Serriously wake up look around you.
1.2 million population, bigger than Sanfransisco city and Yorkshire England.

Please. San Francisco has a metropolitan population of over 7 Million compared to Adelaide's 1 Million. And Yorkshire, while it's not a city anyway, it's a County, has a population of well over 4 Million. If you want to use population as an indicator, try these US cities as cities with a population similar to Adelaide's.

Richmond, Virginia
Hartford, Connecticut
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Buffalo, New York
Birmingham, Alabama
Salt Lake City, Utah
Rochester, New York

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Un ... itan_areas

My mistake don't know what i was thinking.

[Ho Really]

Did I hear the Victorian opposition leader say that Melbourne would become a sporting 'backwater' if they lost the F1 GP?

"Clearly Mr Brumby has failed to impress Grand Prix officials and we now run the risk of losing the Grand Prix and Melbourne becoming a major events backwater," Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu said.

Cheers

[Edgar]

I saw that on the news the other day

[TooFar]

Unfortunately Adelaide is a backwater and will most likely continue to be one, it is due to geography and lack of natural resources. Sad but true.

What is more unfortunate is that Australia is also a backwater and is falling further behind the rest of the world. Apart from BHP (which is not totally Australian anyway) there are no large global companies based in Australia, no large manufactures, not Hi-tech or bio-tech or life science companies, No world class service providers. No great inventions, developments and science breakthroughs come from Australia. The world doesn’t fly in our Aircraft, nor ride on our trains our use our computers or software, hospitals do not use our equipment, corporate decisions are not made in Australian offices. Our best and brightest minds usually end up in the US or UK. We are not even a large market for suppliers.

For all intents and purposes, Australia does not exists, it is a backwater. All we are good for is supplying other countries with raw material so they can add value and provide the world with the goods and service it needs.

All this petty squabbling is the sign of a very immature country. The quicker Australia get serious with research and development the better, as the rest of the world is leaving us behind.

[rogue]

Unfortunately Adelaide is a backwater and will most likely continue to be one, it is due to geography and lack of natural resources. Sad but true.

What is more unfortunate is that Australia is also a backwater and is falling further behind the rest of the world. Apart from BHP (which is not totally Australian anyway) there are no large global companies based in Australia, no large manufactures, not Hi-tech or bio-tech or life science companies, No world class service providers. No great inventions, developments and science breakthroughs come from Australia. The world doesn’t fly in our Aircraft, nor ride on our trains our use our computers or software, hospitals do not use our equipment, corporate decisions are not made in Australian offices. Our best and brightest minds usually end up in the US or UK. We are not even a large market for suppliers.

For all intents and purposes, Australia does not exists, it is a backwater. All we are good for is supplying other countries with raw material so they can add value and provide the world with the goods and service it needs.

All this petty squabbling is the sign of a very immature country. The quicker Australia get serious with research and development the better, as the rest of the world is leaving us behind.

What a load of rubbish!

Lack of natural resources? We have the worlds biggest uranium deposit, the worlds biggest opal deposits, large oil and gas reserves (Australia recently signed an agreement to supply LNG to China worth $35billion), iron ore and coal are being exported and diamonds and gold also bring in a healthy income.

I'm not sure of what your perception of a "global" company is, but many global players have a presence in Australia. BAe Systems, Thales Defence, Rio Tinto, Macquarie Holdings, Santos, Qantas as well as BHP Billiton.

Inventions / developments - Howard Florey pionnered the use of penicillin. Where would medicine be today without it? The windmill (for water pumping purposes), heart pacemaker, letter sorting machine, utility vehicle, solar water heating, black box flight recorder, inflatable aircraft escape slides to name but a few.

So Australia does exsist. As someone said previously, we have the 17th largest economy. Not bad for a country of only 22 million(ish) people.

Get your head checked Too Far...