#VIS: Inner-City Stadium/Riverbank Precinct

[Brando]

Everyone here seems to be forgetting something.

A hopsital is going to be built in the railyards, its been budgetted for and is progressing. That is not going to change.

A new government will change that.

[Wayno]

Everyone here seems to be forgetting something.

A hopsital is going to be built in the railyards, its been budgetted for and is progressing. That is not going to change.

A new government will change that.

i hope so...

[Shuz]

I hope you mean a goverment other than the Liberals. God help us if they get elected.

[urban]

You have to wonder where did this $1 billion figure come from? Is it because Docklands cost $400-500 million (despite what Wikipedia says) and they're factoring in inflation over the decade since doubling the cost?

The figure probably comes from taking Perth's estimates adding extra for inflation and building over the trainline then rounding down. (yes rounding down)

refer below from http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/for ... =18&t=1234

Perth gets go-ahead for new stadium
Tuesday Dec 18 20:55 AEDT
AFL chief Andrew Demetriou has helped break a deadlock on the development of a new 60,000-seat stadium in Perth.

The government has indicated it wants to build a new $850 million stadium at either Kitchener Park or East Perth, but the West Australian Football Commission has said it preferred the refurbishment of Subiaco Oval.

A deal was finally brokered after a day-long meeting on Tuesday that included Mr Demetriou, WA Sports Minister John Kobelke and WA Football Commissioner Neale Fong, ending months of stalemate.

The Football Commission agreed in principle to relinquish its lease on Subiaco Oval, clearing the way for the development of the new stadium.

Mr Demetriou and Mr Kobelke said it had been agreed the best solution was to build a new multi-purpose stadium, giving the AFL priority use.

"We all support the building of a 60,000-seat stadium in this state and we all support the fact that football won't be worse off, " Mr Demetriou told reporters.

To alleviate the WA Football Commission's concern that it would lose revenue if it had to relocate to a new stadium, the government has agreed to recompense it for any losses under the deal.

"We've been able to assure football in Western Australia, both the clubs and the Football Commission and grassroots football, that it will not be worse off through the construction of a major stadium," Mr Kobelke said.

The state government will decide on the location of the new stadium.

[Ho Really]

No one as yet has answered my question regarding how a multipurpose stadium is going to work for those sporting codes that use rectangular fields (such as soccer...). Will those supporters have to endure bad viewing angles? How would stands be moved and secured on grass fields etc., at short notice? I am looking at this from a FIFA standpoint and whether we'll ever get to stage a World Cup in Australia (particularly games in Adelaide).

Cheers

[Wayno]

from messenger news:
http://www.citymessenger.com.au/article ... _news.html

Council Chief Backs City Stadium
THE Liberal Party's push for a new sports stadium in the city has been backed by City Council CEO Stuart Moseley.

``I think it's a great idea if we can find a way of making it work,'' Mr Moseley told the City Messenger last week.

``There are a lot of difficult issues about where it goes and how you do it, but when you look at what Melbourne has achieved with Docklands it's fantastic.

``It has added to the city of Melbourne in a very real way and if we can find a way of doing that it would be great.''

Building a stadium at the North Tce railyards, capable of hosting the Soccer World Cup, is part of Opposition Leader Martin Hamilton-Smith's master plan for Adelaide, released last month.

However, Mr Hamilton-Smith has not fully committed to the project and believes a major upgrade of AAMI Stadium is an alternative.

The State Government has repeatedly rejected the need for a new stadium and is sticking to its plan to build a $1.7 billion hospital at the railyards.

Mr Moseley: ``I struggle to see how we could (build a new stadium) given the best site is now going to be a hospital, but...if you don't use your city you risk losing it so it's great that people have got these passionate discussions happening.''

[AG]

No one as yet has answered my question regarding how a multipurpose stadium is going to work for those sporting codes that use rectangular fields (such as soccer...). Will those supporters have to endure bad viewing angles? How would stands be moved and secured on grass fields etc., at short notice? I am looking at this from a FIFA standpoint and whether we'll ever get to stage a World Cup in Australia (particularly games in Adelaide).

Cheers

Some recently built stadiums allow for retractable seating and stands either on the sides or at each end of the ground. For example, when a game on a small rectangular area is played the retractable seating is moved into place, and when a game on a larger round ground is played the seating is retracted back usually underneath other stands. The mechanics behind some of these systems that some stadiums employ is amazing!

[Ho Really]

Some recently built stadiums allow for retractable seating and stands either on the sides or at each end of the ground. For example, when a game on a small rectangular area is played the retractable seating is moved into place, and when a game on a larger round ground is played the seating is retracted back usually underneath other stands. The mechanics behind some of these systems that some stadiums employ is amazing!

Yes I know this, but is this done on grass or on an artificial surface that can be removed.

Cheers

[Wayno]

Some recently built stadiums allow for retractable seating and stands either on the sides or at each end of the ground. For example, when a game on a small rectangular area is played the retractable seating is moved into place, and when a game on a larger round ground is played the seating is retracted back usually underneath other stands. The mechanics behind some of these systems that some stadiums employ is amazing!

Yes I know this, but is this done on grass or on an artificial surface that can be removed.

Cheers

i could only find examples (mainly in the US) that rely on perfectly flat "astro-turf" style surfaces...

[Wayno]

from the city messenger:
http://www.citymessenger.com.au/article ... _news.html

Govt mum on Marj site contamination
11Mar08
THE State Government is remaining tight-lipped about underground contamination levels at the North Tce railyards the site of the proposed $1.7 billion ``The Marj'' hospital.

In an emailed statement last week, Health Department CEO Tony Sherbon said ``a series of intensive tests'' had been taken at the site since late year and more were being done.

However, he would not say what chemicals had been found so far or indicate the extent of any contamination.

Dr Sherbon said a site remediation plan was being prepared with the Environment Protection Authority and the contamination test results would be released in a final report. He would not say when the report would be finished.

He said a ``rigorous'' cleanup of the site had been costed but would not release the figure because it was ``commercially sensitive''.

The City Messenger made initial requests for information on contamination levels to Health Minister John Hill's office but was referred to the Health Department.

Opposition Health spokeswoman Vickie Chapman said it showed a ``level of secrecy'' with the project.

``Any delay (in releasing test results) will be because they know there is going to be a blowout in costs and they don't want to tell us,'' she said.

The Liberal Party opposes the new hospital, urging the government to redevelop the Royal Adelaide Hospital instead.

Could it be that Rann will wriggle out of his STUPID plan to put the Marj on the railyards site by declaring it to be unsuitable due to contamination? Certainly would give him an easy way out - and could again open the gate to the notion of an entertainment precinct!

[Cruise]

Could it be that Rann will wriggle out of his STUPID plan to put the Marj on the railyards site by declaring it to be unsuitable due to contamination? Certainly would give him an easy way out - and could again open the gate to the notion of an entertainment precinct!

Umm i don't get it, if Rann says the railyards are unsuitable due to contamination doesnt that rule out it being used for anything?

[Wayno]

Could it be that Rann will wriggle out of his STUPID plan to put the Marj on the railyards site by declaring it to be unsuitable due to contamination? Certainly would give him an easy way out - and could again open the gate to the notion of an entertainment precinct!

Umm i don't get it, if Rann says the railyards are unsuitable due to contamination doesnt that rule out it being used for anything?

i think there would be more contamination concerns with a hospital compared to a sports stadium. maybe i'm wrong...

[Bulldozer]

Unless it's some sort of contamination that eats through concrete, what's the big bloody deal? If it's so contaminated that nothing can be built there then I suppose that opens up liability to be sued by railyard workers?

So anyway, $850 million for Perth's. If we commit to it now we can get it done for the same price, probably less if it doesn't have the whacky lattice cover like Perth's. The SANFL alone could pay for most of it if it sells up Footy Park. On a sort of related note, the seats should be mixed-up state colours like at The Gabba so it doesn't look so bad when you don't have a full-house.

[Howie]

Does anyone have any of their own designs for a stadium for use in a submission to the council?

[muzzamo]

I would like every person who says that the royal adelaide should be rebuilt at its current site to answer these questions:

- How exactly do you propose that you rebuild a hospital in place, for a similar cost?
- Have you even been to the RAH?
- Have you thought about the logistics of doing such a thing?

If you all remember how frustrated we were at public opposition to the tramline, thats how I feel about opposition to the Marj. We are the oldest state in the country and we need to look after our eldery and sick. The RAH is a dump and a disgrace. The Rann government has come up with a visionary idea to build a new hospital for the new century, in a position that is well serviced by public transport and modern hospital design means that yes it has to be a sprawl. A new hospital will put the South Australian public health system in a great position.

We already have an easily accessible inner city stadium (Adelaide Oval). Its just that no AFL is played there due to a long running dispute between SACA and the SANFL. This has absolutely nothing to do with the current argument.

Also you should all realize that MHS knows that this hospital is a major plank in Ranns re-election hopes. These "visionary" ideas for a new stadium in the city that make little sense are an attempt to blunt the biggest part of the Rann governments policy but when or if MHS ever wins government he is going to have two choices, either build the biggest white elephant this state has seen or listen to his departments and treasury that will inform him that it is a bad idea.

What I do support however, is the sensible expansion of rail services to aami stadium at a fraction of the billion dollar cost that you people are on about.