Ideas on how to attract more people to SA?

[Will]

Without providing incentives to attract corporate to set up offices/head offices, thereby bringing people, white collar workers, money, culture, retail other than bargin basement.... the city will remain a void especially for travellers from O/S and interstate. We simply do not offer anything different except the Central Markets when comparing to other major cities in Australia.
Sad but true. (classic case where all coffee food chains have to be red in Adelaide, and always as a chain, where is the one offs?, fair trade, organic..... for example!)

[note, this is a rant]
Righty, Adekaide habt nichts, nada, nothing to crash hot or outstandingly pernament attraction - dont say oh we have a park, a river, oh a lookout on a hill, a fat queen in a square or balls in a mall. What does Adelaide really have that it outstandlingly blazingly unique to attract people to SA. Oh they, we have festivals, oh we have wineries, oh we have beaches (so does the rest of this country), oh we have bike trails, oh we have other temporary fad like crap - festivals come and go or go bust and fail, so do wineries and beaches can be cold some days and Glenelg is absolute crap on a 10 degree day. There is nothing too too unique about Adelaide except it is a very big country town with crap transport in the middle of a paddock which has buildings falling down in it because some yuppie wants to walk their dog. Adelaide is a city that jumps up and down over a 1.3km Tram extension and holds $100,000 party to open it. Projects go over budget all the time, and we built a bridge over a boganville - whoppie, lets do something with balls, out there and unique and hope some flagnut doesnt harp on about AAA ratings.

It is people like you who are the problem. What this state has that is unique is the bunch of negative, whingers such as yourself. Maybe if people like you became positive about SA and Adelaide then maybe people outside would notice us. Negativity spreads; people from interstate and overseas notice the negative vibe around.

And to respond to your post, what exactly does WA (the state with the highest growth rates) have that is unique? wildflowers? Grow up, people do not go an live in places because they have skyscrapers or landmarks. People go where the money and jobs are.

[Pat28]

Without providing incentives to attract corporate to set up offices/head offices, thereby bringing people, white collar workers, money, culture, retail other than bargin basement.... the city will remain a void especially for travellers from O/S and interstate. We simply do not offer anything different except the Central Markets when comparing to other major cities in Australia.
Sad but true. (classic case where all coffee food chains have to be red in Adelaide, and always as a chain, where is the one offs?, fair trade, organic..... for example!)

[note, this is a rant]
Righty, Adekaide habt nichts, nada, nothing to crash hot or outstandingly pernament attraction - dont say oh we have a park, a river, oh a lookout on a hill, a fat queen in a square or balls in a mall. What does Adelaide really have that it outstandlingly blazingly unique to attract people to SA. Oh they, we have festivals, oh we have wineries, oh we have beaches (so does the rest of this country), oh we have bike trails, oh we have other temporary fad like crap - festivals come and go or go bust and fail, so do wineries and beaches can be cold some days and Glenelg is absolute crap on a 10 degree day. There is nothing too too unique about Adelaide except it is a very big country town with crap transport in the middle of a paddock which has buildings falling down in it because some yuppie wants to walk their dog. Adelaide is a city that jumps up and down over a 1.3km Tram extension and holds $100,000 party to open it. Projects go over budget all the time, and we built a bridge over a boganville - whoppie, lets do something with balls, out there and unique and hope some flagnut doesnt harp on about AAA ratings.

It is people like you who are the problem. What this state has that is unique is the bunch of negative, whingers such as yourself. Maybe if people like you became positive about SA and Adelaide then maybe people outside would notice us. Negativity spreads; people from interstate and overseas notice the negative vibe around.

And to respond to your post, what exactly does WA (the state with the highest growth rates) have that is unique? wildflowers? Grow up, people do not go an live in places because they have skyscrapers or landmarks. People go where the money and jobs are.

Wait, wait, wait, you saying there is money in Adelaide and jobs

[Pat28]

so, back on topic, how does on attract people to Adelaide?

[Jim]

Just Invest Australia $ in Australia!
Looks lick the bubble is bursting in the US and the ramifications here in Australia are just starting to be felt. $1billion NAB writes downs, lowest super returns in years and so on. It’s been obvious for several years that the US is living well beyond its means, $600 Billion Government deficit alone not to mention the $3Trillion Iraqi war which has been totally funded by debt.
What I find so frustration is that in Australia we are crying out for productive investment in infrastructure to get our ports moving, desalinate our water, link our mines to ports by rail rebuild our cities and get new solar thermal and geothermal power off the ground yet what have what we have done over the last 10 years?
We have invested a good proportion of our $billions of super and banking investments off shore. Basically it turns our we have been propping up the US economy and funding subprime US housing.
I say invest in Australia first, create real long term wealth for this nation. SA with its huge mineral, solar and geothermal resources will boom and grow with the right infrastructure. People will always follow the money and at the moment we are exporting both our brain power and our $ .

[Aidan]

Just Invest Australia $ in Australia!
Looks lick the bubble is bursting in the US and the ramifications here in Australia are just starting to be felt. $1billion NAB writes downs, lowest super returns in years and so on. It’s been obvious for several years that the US is living well beyond its means, $600 Billion Government deficit alone not to mention the $3Trillion Iraqi war which has been totally funded by debt.

Yes, it has indeed been obvious, and so everyone should've been more careful about what American assets they invested in. As we now see, some were more careful than others! And despite the writedown, NAB (who were probably the least careful) are still a very profitable corporation.

What I find so frustration is that in Australia we are crying out for productive investment in infrastructure to get our ports moving, desalinate our water, link our mines to ports by rail rebuild our cities and get new solar thermal and geothermal power off the ground yet what have what we have done over the last 10 years?

Built a railway from Alice Springs to Darwin.

We have invested a good proportion of our $billions of super and banking investments off shore. Basically it turns our we have been propping up the US economy and funding subprime US housing.

Struth, there's much more to overseas investment than dodgy US securities! For a start, there's the very fast growing Chinese economy. China's invested lots of money here, why shouldn't we do likewise there?

I say invest in Australia first, create real long term wealth for this nation. SA with its huge mineral, solar and geothermal resources will boom and grow with the right infrastructure. People will always follow the money and at the moment we are exporting both our brain power and our $ .

Undoubtedly there should be much more investment in Australian infrastructure, but should we rely on the private sector to fund it? We could do, but this would reduce the economic benefits, as users charges would be determined by an owner trying to make a profit rather than merely break even. Relying on private investment would probably also take longer because long after it is determined that this infrastructure would be of benefit to the nation, it remains unclear whether such infrastructure would be profitable for the owners.

We would be better off if infrastructure investment had greater priority over tax cuts, but that's no reason to oppose overseas investment.

[Jim]

I am not going to argue the point ; basically I think we should be investing our Ausie super in Australia first! The more money we invest in Ausie infrastructure, public or private the better. People will follow the money and SA will grow.

[Wayno]

I've was in New York last week (work trip), and whilst waiting for a colleague I came across a boutique travel magazine in the hotel lobby ("Exotic Towns & Countrysides" i think it was called). It had a multi-page spread on Adelaide & Sth Australia covering our wine regions, Kangaroo Island, Flinders Ranges, our beaches, the CBD, blah. Lots of good photos & short stories. The tenor of the article was the fact our state is just starting down a multi-decade path of increased prosperity. We were also painted as being Australia's most graceful city, and a lovely place for tourists to visit and foreigners to immigrate and settle down.

It made me feel especially proud. Hopefully it entices many people to come our way...

[Queen Anne]

I've was in New York last week (work trip), and whilst waiting for a colleague I came across a boutique travel magazine in the hotel lobby ("Exotic Towns & Countrysides" i think it was called). It had a multi-page spread on Adelaide & Sth Australia covering our wine regions, Kangaroo Island, Flinders Ranges, our beaches, the CBD, blah. Lots of good photos & short stories. The tenor of the article was the fact our state is just starting down a multi-decade path of increased prosperity. We were also painted as being Australia's most graceful city, and a lovely place for tourists to visit and foreigners to immigrate and settle down.

It made me feel especially proud. Hopefully it entices many people to come our way...

Wayno, we just got back from a huge road-trip to Texas. As we drove around many American cities, I couldn't help but think how "graceful" Adelaide really is. Adelaide, you have a lot to be proud of - sure there are issues, but just sit back for a moment and think on your numerous assets.

I truly believe that one of our biggest chances to attract more people to SA is to believe in our own worth. Adelaide, you are gorgeous, baby - believe it and work it! You are in that travel magazine for a good reason, SA.

[Wayno]

Money is one sure way to lure people across state borders...

Anyone know if this increase puts our doctor pay rates on par with the eastern states?

A NEW pay package for public hospital doctors will be used by the State Government in an interstate recruitment drive.

Health Minister John Hill said the salary and conditions package, approved today by the Industrial Relations Commission, will be used as the centrepiece of a campaign to lure doctors to South Australia.

"The new salary and conditions for salaried doctors working in public hospitals would be a major attraction for interstate doctors," Mr Hill said.

"The Government will soon start a new recruitment drive to lure doctors working interstate to the SA public hospital system.

"The new package will really help with recruitment and importantly will help us to keep the really hard working doctors currently in our public hospitals."

Under the enterprise agreement, senior specialists will be paid up to $495,440 a year.

Pay for most doctors and surgeons will rise from $198,980 to $349,852.

But Opposition health spokeswoman Vickie Chapman said it was "absolute rubbish" for the Government to claim a 10-month pay dispute would help bring interstate doctors to SA.

"It is laughable. The drawn out industrial dispute will send a clear signal to health professionals interstate," Ms Chapman said.

"While I welcome the resolution of the dispute, it does nothing to actually bring new people here. It sends the message that South Australia is not a place to do business as a public health provider."

However, Mr Hill said the negotiations had achieved major pay rises which will "ultimately help us greatly in recruitment and retention of doctors in the South Australian system".

Doctors hired into the SA system from tomorrow will receive the new salary package, he said.

Mr Hill said the Government had committed to increasing the number of staff in emergency departments and reforming their work practices to relieve pressure.

The vacancy rate for doctors in SA hospitals was relatively low at 4 per cent, he said, but the new package would dramatically reduce that.

Since taking power in 2002, Mr Hill said the Rann Government had recruited nearly 700 extra doctors and SA now had more salaried doctors per head of population than any other state.

[Will]

Money is one sure way to lure people across state borders...

Anyone know if this increase puts our doctor pay rates on par with the eastern states?

A NEW pay package for public hospital doctors will be used by the State Government in an interstate recruitment drive.

Health Minister John Hill said the salary and conditions package, approved today by the Industrial Relations Commission, will be used as the centrepiece of a campaign to lure doctors to South Australia.

"The new salary and conditions for salaried doctors working in public hospitals would be a major attraction for interstate doctors," Mr Hill said.

"The Government will soon start a new recruitment drive to lure doctors working interstate to the SA public hospital system.

"The new package will really help with recruitment and importantly will help us to keep the really hard working doctors currently in our public hospitals."

Under the enterprise agreement, senior specialists will be paid up to $495,440 a year.

Pay for most doctors and surgeons will rise from $198,980 to $349,852.

But Opposition health spokeswoman Vickie Chapman said it was "absolute rubbish" for the Government to claim a 10-month pay dispute would help bring interstate doctors to SA.

"It is laughable. The drawn out industrial dispute will send a clear signal to health professionals interstate," Ms Chapman said.

"While I welcome the resolution of the dispute, it does nothing to actually bring new people here. It sends the message that South Australia is not a place to do business as a public health provider."

However, Mr Hill said the negotiations had achieved major pay rises which will "ultimately help us greatly in recruitment and retention of doctors in the South Australian system".

Doctors hired into the SA system from tomorrow will receive the new salary package, he said.

Mr Hill said the Government had committed to increasing the number of staff in emergency departments and reforming their work practices to relieve pressure.

The vacancy rate for doctors in SA hospitals was relatively low at 4 per cent, he said, but the new package would dramatically reduce that.

Since taking power in 2002, Mr Hill said the Rann Government had recruited nearly 700 extra doctors and SA now had more salaried doctors per head of population than any other state.

The government is being really tricky about its claims that SA's doctors are now the best paid in the country. These $300 000 - $500 000 figures only apply to top level specialists and not all doctors as the government is claiming. By the time a doctor becomes a specialist they are in their mid 30s and are at a point when they are settling down and starting a family. Thus this group of people are probabaly not in the mood of moving interstate. If the governemnt was serious about attracting doctors to SA they would drastically raise the salaries of junior doctors; the group of doctors who are highly mobile. And at the moment the pay scales of junior doctors whilst better than NSW or Victoria are substantially lower compared to QLD and WA.

[frank1]

It's all relative! Yes SA has lower doctor and teacher saleries, but the cost of living in this state is one of the lowest in the country. If teachers and doctors in SA got the same pay as interstate, it wouldn't be fair to the other states as the dollar goes futher in SA.

[AtD]

Will: That's probably reflective of the general levels of pay across all industries. West Australians are amongst the highest paid workers in the country, and the cost of living in Perth is second only to Sydney.

Full time adult average weekly earnings, May 2008.
NSW: 1,200.80
VIC: 1,156.90
QLD: 1,118.40
SA: 1,088.80
WA: 1,344.90
TAS: 1,058.00
NT: 1,144.20
ACT: 1,348.40
Aust: 1,182.60
http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats ... 202008.pdf

[Pat28]

Will: That's probably reflective of the general levels of pay across all industries. West Australians are amongst the highest paid workers in the country, and the cost of living in Perth is second only to Sydney.

Full time adult average weekly earnings, May 2008.
NSW: 1,200.80
VIC: 1,156.90
QLD: 1,118.40
SA: 1,088.80
WA: 1,344.90
TAS: 1,058.00
NT: 1,144.20
ACT: 1,348.40
Aust: 1,182.60
http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats ... 202008.pdf

Oh it looks like we are all getting paid a pittance (except the Tasmainians)

[Norman]

Will: That's probably reflective of the general levels of pay across all industries. West Australians are amongst the highest paid workers in the country, and the cost of living in Perth is second only to Sydney.

Full time adult average weekly earnings, May 2008.
NSW: 1,200.80
VIC: 1,156.90
QLD: 1,118.40
SA: 1,088.80
WA: 1,344.90
TAS: 1,058.00
NT: 1,144.20
ACT: 1,348.40
Aust: 1,182.60
http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats ... 202008.pdf

That's the entire state, not just Perth. The living costs in rural WA, especially near Port Headland and other mining towns if you watched 4 Corners last night, is a lot more. Rent for something you'd get here for $50/week or less you get there for 6 times the amount. It's crazy.

The report airs again tonight at 11.35pm on ABC1 and 8am Wednesday on ABC2. I REALLY recommend you watch it.

[Norman]

It's also available on-demand: http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/ ... oom_hi.asx