PRO: Port Adelaide Tramline | $260m

[RayRichards]

Bloody well done Mr BillD!!. You have one keen eye for photography. How you take your night shots is beyond me. cheers:
Ray.

Thanks Ray, I'm glad that you like the shot,

At night, I normally shoot with the lens wide-open and have recently been using my tripod with the legs close together, acting as what is usually called a mono-pod. In the absence of my tripod, street signs / rubbish bins / trees etc can help to stabilise the camera. I was lucky with the shot of H-376 in that it stopped momentarily (and I was ready for it).

Here's another one from the big night of testing. Citadis 204 is running through the City-West stop on its way to the Entertainment Centre, while Flexity 108 is waiting to leave for the crossover near Rundle Mall. Another Citadis has already crossed over and is approaching in the distance.

Top stuff again Bill! Been enjoying your photo album. Any chance of getting a night shot of the new extension on Port Road (near the old EWS depot) looking towards the cbd/hills. It would make a great shot to put in a frame on a wall.

Ray,

[skyliner]

I've thought that for some time as well. Been searching the photo thread for something in this vein. Earlier pics in this thread gavea hint of how good this would be - and who better that BillD to do it:!:

SA - STATE ON THE MOVE

[bay transit]

Does anyone know why the new Citadis are being used very sparingly on services at the moment(2 in am/pm peaks-1 in daytime off peaks and none at other times)?
It appears at this stage that whilst there will be "Free" Services on Sunday to coincide with Entertainment Centre reopening no date has been publicly announced for the extension opening.I suspect that nothing will happen prior to the Election on Saturday March 20th.I would think that the Transport department would want a lot more work completed on the extension(tram stops etc) plus even the South Yard at Glengowrie Depot finished, as with at least another 3/4 trams required in peak hours it will be a lot easier to handle if there is a better layout/more storage room there.

[paul.h]

I heard a rumour that once the full tramline is operational, during the day trams will not travel the entire length.

The 2 services will be West Tce to Glenelg and South Tce to Entertainment Centre. There will be no City Shuttle as such. This will still give the 7 min service interval within the city.

Only at night and weekends will you see Entertainment Centre to Glenelg services.

[monotonehell]

I heard a rumour that once the full tramline is operational, during the day trams will not travel the entire length.

The 2 services will be West Tce to Glenelg and South Tce to Entertainment Centre. There will be no City Shuttle as such. This will still give the 7 min service interval within the city.

Only at night and weekends will you see Entertainment Centre to Glenelg services.

In other words, the Shuttle service will be extended to the Entertainment Centre and the Glenelg Service will operate as now. Sounds fair considering the service patterns it's likely to see until Bowden TOD is inhabited. Or the "coast to coast" service is ever revisited.

[gumbi]

This might me a bit off topic, but something needs to be done about the City South stop. There isn't enough room for pedestrians during peak hour and the traffic light arrangement is completely dysfunctional. I wonder if there are any plans.

[Straze]

I am confused on how we going to run trains to Outer Harbor and run tram-trains along part of the corridor between Bowden and Port Adelaide, considering the tram-trains would need to be low-floor so passengers can get on in the city streets and the trains would need to be high floor so passengers can be picked up at Adelaide Station, does that mean the stations would have to be suitable height for both the low floor tram-trains and high floor trains. The way i understand how it is going to work is - the trains wont stop between Adelaide and Port Adelaide, the tram-trains would stop at all stations between Bowden and Port Adelaide.

[rhino]

I am confused on how we going to run trains to Outer Harbor and run tram-trains along part of the corridor between Bowden and Port Adelaide, considering the tram-trains would need to be low-floor so passengers can get on in the city streets and the trains would need to be high floor so passengers can be picked up at Adelaide Station, does that mean the stations would have to be suitable height for both the low floor tram-trains and high floor trains. The way i understand how it is going to work is - the trains wont stop between Adelaide and Port Adelaide, the tram-trains would stop at all stations between Bowden and Port Adelaide.

I assume there will be seperate stations/platforms for the two different types of railcar. If the trains are not going to stop between Adelaide and Port Adelaide, will there be any need for high-level platforms at all on that stretch?

What will be trickier, IMO, is timetabling the express trains so that they don't get held up behind all-stopper trams.

[Nort]

I am confused on how we going to run trains to Outer Harbor and run tram-trains along part of the corridor between Bowden and Port Adelaide, considering the tram-trains would need to be low-floor so passengers can get on in the city streets and the trains would need to be high floor so passengers can be picked up at Adelaide Station, does that mean the stations would have to be suitable height for both the low floor tram-trains and high floor trains. The way i understand how it is going to work is - the trains wont stop between Adelaide and Port Adelaide, the tram-trains would stop at all stations between Bowden and Port Adelaide.

I assume there will be seperate stations/platforms for the two different types of railcar. If the trains are not going to stop between Adelaide and Port Adelaide, will there be any need for high-level platforms at all on that stretch?

What will be trickier, IMO, is timetabling the express trains so that they don't get held up behind all-stopper trams.

I don't know how much room there is on the Port Adelaide line to do it, but that could be solved by giving some of the stations along the line sidings that the trams pull into. That would allow them to get out of the way, and also keep full height stations in case there is a need for a train to stop there.

[bay transit]

Saw 3 Citadis in service late this afternoon at Glenelg.202/204/205.On return from Moseley Square all were showing;-
ADELAIDE
WEST TERRACE
So presumably their destinations have been reprogrammed for full services when they begin later this month.
Further to the earlier comments re trams/trains not only sharing same track,but also same stations-surely this would be the perfect time to make all these services "Light Rail" only-this would have to be cheaper and more practical !

[fabricator]

I am confused on how we going to run trains to Outer Harbor and run tram-trains along part of the corridor between Bowden and Port Adelaide, considering the tram-trains would need to be low-floor so passengers can get on in the city streets and the trains would need to be high floor so passengers can be picked up at Adelaide Station, does that mean the stations would have to be suitable height for both the low floor tram-trains and high floor trains. The way i understand how it is going to work is - the trains wont stop between Adelaide and Port Adelaide, the tram-trains would stop at all stations between Bowden and Port Adelaide.

The government don't seem to have a clue about this.
For woodville, as its a junction you need to have both types of platforms. Its not such a problem as this station has two island platforms and used to have 4 tracks. Simply make the Eastern platform tram only.

But here is the real problem, how to the passengers know which platform to wait on for the next tram/train to Adelaide ?
If you need to change from one to the other, but the gates are shut due to the level crossing still being active.

Further to the earlier comments re trams/trains not only sharing same track,but also same stations-surely this would be the perfect time to make all these services "Light Rail" only-this would have to be cheaper and more practical !

You think demolishing and rebuilding every single platform is going to be cheap ?
Not to mention having to grade separate most of the rail crossings between Adelaide and Port Adelaide due to the one tram every 5 minutes or something (in peak hour) which leaves the boom gates down more than 50% of the time creating traffic chaos. Lets not forget that interchange at the Entertainment Centre crosses Port Road to merge with the train line, you planning on running all those trams over that.

I and the transport planners did the maths on this, read back through this thread to find my post about that.
Basically during peak hour you have 2 and 3 car trains, every half an hour, those convert to 5 trams alone, add in bi-directional traffic and the extra trams to Port Adelaide/Semaphore and West Lakes, and you have a right mess.

I'd love to see the result of a cruise ship dumping 500 people at Outer harbour station with your trams.

[monotonehell]

I'd love to see the result of a cruise ship dumping 500 people at Outer harbour station with your trams.

Wouldn't make a speck of difference. They are all put on chartered buses and shuttled about on tours.

[fkj]

The project includes a ‘Park ‘n Ride’ facility located within the Adelaide Entertainment Centre car park. Tram travel to and from the Entertainment Centre, once scheduled services commence later this month, will be free for a six month period.
-http://webapps.transportsa.com.au/news/ ... 2&zoneid=1

I thought this was to be permanently free, to encourage people to use the park n ride, or have i just mis interpreted the media releases, that have said it will cost just $2 to park your car, then a free trip on the tram to town

[muzzamo]

I thought this was to be permanently free

Many of the good park n rides are not free. Noarlunga Centre charges a nominal amount too.

[Tonsley213]

They should charge $2 to park and ride not pay for parking then pay for the ride, that costs over $6 return.