[COM] Adelaide Oval Redevelopment

[yousername]

how bout we build a bubble over the entire Adelaide metro area, we can pump O2 into it and turn on the taps to make it rain when we feel like it. That way we wont have to worry about puuting a roof on Adelaide Oval, or over the footbridge. People will never get wet at inconvinient times! We can call it Truman Show MkII

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[iTouch]

how bout we build a bubble over the entire Adelaide metro area, we can pump O2 into it and turn on the taps to make it rain when we feel like it. That way we wont have to worry about puuting a roof on Adelaide Oval, or over the footbridge. People will never get wet at inconvinient times! We can call it Truman Show MkII

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Genius!! make a render with Adelaide in it

[how_good_is_he]

itouch - umbrellas arent actually allowed at the football - so maybe that is the real joke.
Its fair enough to joke about being soft but the real argument is that for $535m we should be getting a lot more. Its like ordering a $500k ferrari and not geting air-cond/radio etc as its an extra and you go without to save a few bucks - its stupid.
If you are already spending so much anyway why not spend maybe 10% more AND do it properly?
Even Ricciuto [who aint exactly soft] said we should be getting a covered stadium [for the masssive amount of money being spent].

[Pants]

HGIH, i'm sorry if it seems like I'm hassling you (although I'm sure you can handle it either way), I'm just finding it hard to comprehend what some people are asking for and why they can't seem to accept a few basic facts...


- they can't put a roof over AO so it'd have to be a new stadium
- there's no way a new stadium with a roof can be built for an extra $53.5m. Even the libs who had an interest in keeping their estimate low were bandying about $800m
- AFL and cricket won't come together anywhere but AO so the money on the table for each body from the govt won't be combined, so who's going to fund a new roofed stadium?
- even leaving that aside, do we really need to spend an extra $300m so we end up with a roof? How many roofed stadiums are there in the world? If Docklands didn't have one we wouldn't be having this conversation
- I can tell you what Docklands doesn't have... an undercover footbridge/concourse. Seriously, we need to start being realistic. People need to be comfortable, but show me a stadium anywhere in the world, with a roof or not, where at least some people aren't going to be exposed to the elements getting there

Your analogy's a bad one. All Ferraris, even all Hyundais, have airconditioning and radios. Not all stadiums, including those among the most expensive and new in the world, have roofs. The new Wembley in London doesn't. Soccer City in Johannesburg doesn't. The bird's nest in Beijing doesn't... I know you were giving the most basic examples in mentioning airconditioning and radios, but the fact is, you can have a 'Ferrari' stadium without a roof.

I'm the first to admit that I give most new proposals in Adelaide a hard time. That's principally because we don't have a market like Melbourne where design is taken so seriously that developers often have no choice but to spend a bit of money to make their projects stand out or face them being ignored. Good design is factored into their bottom line. Here, our projects seem to be bland, cheap and nasty for the most part, with developers not having to spend money on excellent design to realise good financial returns. That, or the council shits its pants when it sees something that might stand out a bit and calls for a beige or grey paintbrush.

As for AO, they're clearly not skimping. They're spending $535m on 14,000 extra seats so they can give the public what looks like first class amenities. Spending another $300m when there's no real need and no real option to do so would be irresponsible. It's not settling. I'm the last person on here to think that Adelaide should accept second best. It's just reality. And people (it's not just you, Adelaide Now's brim full of people saying the same thing) asking for roofs, concrete bowls in the face of potentially one of the most unique grounds in the world, 70,000 seats and undercover walkways to the ground etc have seemingly lost their grip on it.

[Pants]

I agree the bridge should have cover to cater for all types who would attend sports matches there, numbers, crowds, delays in crossing.

What happens with the walk to and from the bridge? I'm really struggling to see why people are making an issue out of this.

[iTouch]

itouch - umbrellas arent actually allowed at the football - so maybe that is the real joke.

oh, wow. Serious? Dude, that sucks big time.

[AtD]

Is there an up-to-date project website anywhere? The Ministerial page still has the older plans.

[shaun]

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http://www.cricketsa.com.au/content.aspx?p=457

[skyliner]

I agree the bridge should have cover to cater for all types who would attend sports matches there, numbers, crowds, delays in crossing.

What happens with the walk to and from the bridge? I'm really struggling to see why people are making an issue out of this.

Don't know. Cover over an exposed areea is far better than nothing however.

ADELAIDE - TOWARDS A GREATER CITY SKYLINE

[ChrisRT]

I agree the bridge should have cover to cater for all types who would attend sports matches there, numbers, crowds, delays in crossing.

What happens with the walk to and from the bridge? I'm really struggling to see why people are making an issue out of this.

Don't know. Cover over an exposed areea is far better than nothing however.

ADELAIDE - TOWARDS A GREATER CITY SKYLINE

Why waste the money? It hardly rains very often in Adelaide anyway. Better to enjoy the sunshine on the good days than waste money for a little extra comfort on rare rainy days.

[spiller]

how bout we build a bubble over the entire Adelaide metro area, we can pump O2 into it and turn on the taps to make it rain when we feel like it. That way we wont have to worry about puuting a roof on Adelaide Oval, or over the footbridge. People will never get wet at inconvinient times! We can call it Truman Show MkII

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priceless! I did not have this image in mind when i made my original post, but it fits the bill nicely!

[shaun]

As it has been stated a thousand times it hardly ever rains in Adelaide!, so what is the point of spending millions more on a shelter when other cities like Melbourne do not have any under-covered bridges along the river.

This whole subject is so irrelevant and pointless.

People need to grow some balls.

[Stubbo]

As it has been stated a thousand times it hardly ever rains in Adelaide!, so what is the point of spending millions more on a shelter when other cities like Melbourne do not have any under-covered bridges along the river.

This whole subject is so irrelevant and pointless.

People need to grow some balls.

I agree, I would like to own a bmw or aston martin, but, due to my budget I end up with a subaru or toyota. Still nice cars but just dont have all the bells and whistles.

Same here, there is a set budget (that will probably change a few more times... but for arguments sake, it is set...) and we need to work within that budget.

I wanted a new enclosed stadium, and still do. However, this is not a bad proposal, and the events space near memorial drive looks nice. Would play off nicely against the redevelopment planned for the Convention Centre and Riverbank on the opposite side.

On another point, anyone else notice that the world cup match with Aust v Ghana had an athletics track around it? Not ideal I know, but as I have mentioned before, could be a simple way to incorporate more sports into one ground (Santos?) for cost effectiveness if we win the 2022 bid........ No need to rebuild AO then, making FIFA compliance a non issue.

[Splashmo]

As it has been stated a thousand times it hardly ever rains in Adelaide!, so what is the point of spending millions more on a shelter when other cities like Melbourne do not have any under-covered bridges along the river.

This whole subject is so irrelevant and pointless.

People need to grow some balls.

Certainly some people have hijacked the logic in opposing these plans - you're right, Melbourne doesn't have undercover bridges. I don't even think London have any - it's ridiculous.

Personally I don't see the need at all for a roof. That said, I think the majority of seats should be under some sort of cover.

These plans are nice, but it is incredibly pricey just to add a measly 14,000 seats. I hate it that the taxpayer is having to cough up so the establishment can get the frills like its bar with the glass overlooking the parklands. I hate it how we're putting all this money into a venue which the AFL, SANFL and SACA will profit from... They should be investing in the project too.

I wish we could just get a new bare-bones stadium that's cheap but is multipurpose, in or close to the city and has seats with a good view of the action. Just pour down some concrete and whack in some seats.

[Waewick]

I tend to agree with you on the taxpayers part of it.

perhaps the Government should be insisting that the "non members" and "non corporate" part of it is of a high quality and the SANF: & SACA put up some cash for the corporate and member facilities given they are the ones who will be profiting from them.

doubt it will happen, cattle class all around the world is generally sub standard.