[ City Central ] Masterplan Thread

[monotonehell]

In the city messenger this week it had an article on the GPO hotel building to be built. Basically it said that due to the amount of hotels being listed for Adelaide, this idea has been shelved indefinitely. They said that they might revisit the hotel concept or just opt for this building to become fully residential.

Either way, I can't see anything happening on this building for at least 5 years.

Horrible.

I share your disappointment, but the bottom line is not to build a white elephant. If there's no economic support for your structure it wont get built. Hopefully they can sort out a new tenancy mix to make it viable.

[Ho Really]

In the city messenger this week it had an article on the GPO hotel building to be built. Basically it said that due to the amount of hotels being listed for Adelaide, this idea has been shelved indefinitely. They said that they might revisit the hotel concept or just opt for this building to become fully residential.

Either way, I can't see anything happening on this building for at least 5 years.

If they decided on a fully residential building it would be awesome. Imagine another Spire-type 35 floor apartment complex overlooking Victoria Square! Or even mixed use.

Cheers

[monotonehell]

In the city messenger this week it had an article on the GPO hotel building to be built. Basically it said that due to the amount of hotels being listed for Adelaide, this idea has been shelved indefinitely. They said that they might revisit the hotel concept or just opt for this building to become fully residential.

Either way, I can't see anything happening on this building for at least 5 years.

If they decided on a fully residential building it would be awesome. Imagine another Spire-type 35 floor apartment complex overlooking Victoria Square! Or even mixed use.

Cheers

It would be great if they flooded the market with residential, possibly bring the prices down. That probably wont happen though.

[skyliner]

'Dumbing down' is like offensive language when I see the term used due to all the implications.Brings sick feeling of disappointment in the gut.

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I'm sorry you feel that way, but I cannot find a better term to express my disappointment at how every stage of this development has not turned out how it was originally intended.

Sorry Will, what you said was my intended meaning. Every time that term comes up I feel the same as you do.

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[AtD]

http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/for ... 026#p36026

Just cuisin through the city central development on the map and it might need updating. You can check out the master plan the developers have on thier site. Your T6 is actually T9, T6 is nestled alongside or underneath part of T7 and T4 seems like 2 x stuctures with a plaza and boulevards connecting the precinct together.

Cheers

This is what's posted on the website:


Any comments? I don't quite understand what's going on with Tower 6. Does this mean there have been yet more changes? Anything new been before the ACC?

[Will]

Adam, I do not think that the building labelled as T6 will be an actual tower. I think that T6 is the former Telegraph Exchange, which is heritage listed.

[AtD]

Thanks Will!

[mattblack]

From what i can gather the foot print of the building is blue but the boundary/area the building will take up is the dotted line around T7 (which looks like will be built over the top of T6) and will also connect the 2 x T4 buildings together.

Cheers

[AtD]

Thanks Matt. I think that's our general consensus now. Knowing this project, the plan will probably change in a few months anyway!

[skyliner]

http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/for ... 026#p36026

Just cuisin through the city central development on the map and it might need updating. You can check out the master plan the developers have on thier site. Your T6 is actually T9, T6 is nestled alongside or underneath part of T7 and T4 seems like 2 x stuctures with a plaza and boulevards connecting the precinct together.

Cheers

This is what's posted on the website:


Any comments? I don't quite understand what's going on with Tower 6. Does this mean there have been yet more changes? Anything new been before the ACC?

That map sure helps me work out what is what. I was sure getting confused by all the alterations.
Is the blank area towards the NW to contain Spire?

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[Omicron]

This is going to be very wordy (and highly speculative), but here goes....

Assuming the light blue areas represent ground floor plans, and the dotted lines the overhang of higher floors, T4 is potentially quite a substantial building - but not necessarily a tall one. We know ANZ House (T1) to be a large building in the context of both height and floorplates, but looking at the masterplan, if the dotted line of T4 is taken into account, it takes up a larger area on its upper levels than T1.

We have been under the impression that T4 is to be the hotel/apartment building. If we are expecting a flagship building taller than that of T1 in the later stages of the City Central development, is it reasonable for such a building in Adelaide with a larger floorplate than T1 to rise higher than T1's 21 stories? I suspect not, especially given the recent rumblings that the hotel may in fact become purely residential as a result of the number of accommodation proposals in the CBD.

It has been suggested that the opportunity exists for a Spire-esque development in its place. Keep in mind, of course, that Spire's floorplate must fit in the relatively small gap between the Advertiser building and Bentham Street - the depth of which appears similar to the length of T2's (Ernst and Young Tower) frontage to King William St. In other words, the planned floorplate of T4 is much, much larger than what can reasonably be expected of Spire, which suggests a lower building with larger floors.

[Ho Really]

Is the blank area towards the NW to contain Spire?

See where the word 'Street' is in Bentham Street. That's where Spire will be. Roughly a square block from that southern boundary. A small allotment! To the right in that bigger squarish block is The Advertiser (Rupert Murdoch Building). Hope that helps.

Cheers

[Ho Really]

This is going to be very wordy (and highly speculative), but here goes....

Assuming the light blue areas represent ground floor plans, and the dotted lines the overhang of higher floors, T4 is potentially quite a substantial building - but not necessarily a tall one. We know ANZ House (T1) to be a large building in the context of both height and floorplates, but looking at the masterplan, if the dotted line of T4 is taken into account, it takes up a larger area on its upper levels than T1.

We have been under the impression that T4 is to be the hotel/apartment building. If we are expecting a flagship building taller than that of T1 in the later stages of the City Central development, is it reasonable for such a building in Adelaide with a larger floorplate than T1 to rise higher than T1's 21 stories? I suspect not, especially given the recent rumblings that the hotel may in fact become purely residential as a result of the number of accommodation proposals in the CBD.

It has been suggested that the opportunity exists for a Spire-esque development in its place. Keep in mind, of course, that Spire's floorplate must fit in the relatively small gap between the Advertiser building and Bentham Street - the depth of which appears similar to the length of T2's (Ernst and Young Tower) frontage to King William St. In other words, the planned floorplate of T4 is much, much larger than what can reasonably be expected of Spire, which suggests a lower building with larger floors.

T4 could be a tall slender tower on a large podium or two towers, or even pyramid-shaped. We can only speculate.

Cheers

[skyliner]

Is the blank area towards the NW to contain Spire?

See where the word 'Street' is in Bentham Street. That's where Spire will be. Roughly a square block from that southern boundary. A small allotment! To the right in that bigger squarish block is The Advertiser (Rupert Murdoch Building). Hope that helps.

Cheers

It sure does!. As you indicated, a small floorplate area. I walked the area in Jan. when I visited Adelaide but was still not sure of the footprint area. The whole block will be impressive overall.

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[AtD]

http://buildinglist.photoadelaide.com/Map.html?maploc=3

If you switch to satellite view, the allotment for Spire is obvious.