The Housing Crisis

[abc]

In which way would voluntary voting have better outcomes?? The UK and US has this system and has a voter turnout of 60% - 66%. In the UK where I lived for some time I would not say that this has been beneficial economically or democratically. US elections are basically bought. The disillusioned masses simply can't b bothered. At least here the disillusioned have to have skin in the game, what they do with that vote is up to them. Just because you don't like the party or person that the majority voted in (maybe with preferences) doesn't mean democracy is knackered. If housing is your biggest concern next time then vote for that party or independent that aligns with your views, who knows, the majority might feel the same!

wouldn't make any difference

a bought election has nothing to do with compulsory voting, the media is manipulated by the donor class to influence the masses one way or another... it has always happened here anyway however we've never had an anti-establishment candidate because the parliamentary system doesn't allow it

You're free to vote for an anti establishment candidate such as a teal or independent if their views align with yours instead of bitching about the establishment. Plenty of other people have and because of this now hold a considerable number of seats. Agree that media manipulation is something that should be curtailed but good luck with that.

Overall democracy is messy but I'd rather that than the alternative. Glad to see your so passionate about this abc. Vote for housing policy next time.

the teals aren't anti establishment... they ARE establishment... they're a vehicle for Simon Holmes a Court's solar panel business

[mattblack]

The teals aren't anti establishment... they ARE establishment... they're a vehicle for Simon Holmes a Court's solar panel business

[rev]

Had to chuckle today hearing the PM saying "we have to do something". No shit genius

Had a thought about the homeless crisis as well, which imho is something severely and way too easily overlooked. It's definitely getting worse, even without looking at extreme cases like the guy who had a dug out in the city parklands and has vowed to return.
Lot14 is sitting empty. There's plenty of options and variety for tiny relocatable homes.
Why not set something up at places like Lot14 which are a waste of empty space at the moment and foreseeable future, throw in dozens of these tiny relocatable homes or pods, house a few hundred homeless people if not more.

Provide them with some health care on site, give some funding to charities and the food bank type places to provide meals.

Got to be better then the current situation at least until more public housing is built.
And it wouldn't be a waste, those pod type tiny homes can be held in storage for extreme weather events and natural disasters when needed.

[abc]

homeless communities should be constructed on the outskirts of town...this has worked in some places in the USA

nobody wants to live near these people as most of them have drug/mental issues however they function better in a community of like minded people

[SBD]

homeless communities should be constructed on the outskirts of town...this has worked in some places in the USA

nobody wants to live near these people as most of them have drug/mental issues however they function better in a community of like minded people

Yep, we should perpetuate the "town camps" on the outskirts of white towns in the outback. What a brilliant solution to hide the problem instead of address it and help people to (re-)join society.

[SBD]

Had to chuckle today hearing the PM saying "we have to do something". No shit genius

Had a thought about the homeless crisis as well, which imho is something severely and way too easily overlooked. It's definitely getting worse, even without looking at extreme cases like the guy who had a dug out in the city parklands and has vowed to return.
Lot14 is sitting empty. There's plenty of options and variety for tiny relocatable homes.
Why not set something up at places like Lot14 which are a waste of empty space at the moment and foreseeable future, throw in dozens of these tiny relocatable homes or pods, house a few hundred homeless people if not more.

Provide them with some health care on site, give some funding to charities and the food bank type places to provide meals.

Got to be better then the current situation at least until more public housing is built.
And it wouldn't be a waste, those pod type tiny homes can be held in storage for extreme weather events and natural disasters when needed.

I think I heard something on radio this morning about a new proposal like this near Tonsley. Not sure why I heard it this morning, since the website I can find is dated January 2024. https://junctionaustralia.org.au/tiny-h ... -announce/

[rev]

homeless communities should be constructed on the outskirts of town...this has worked in some places in the USA

nobody wants to live near these people as most of them have drug/mental issues however they function better in a community of like minded people

Yep, we should perpetuate the "town camps" on the outskirts of white towns in the outback. What a brilliant solution to hide the problem instead of address it and help people to (re-)join society.

Not only that, pushing them into some 'camps' on the fringes of a city doesn't help obviously, but not every homeless person is a drug addict or suffering mental health issues.
There's a good chance quite a few wont accept any help what so ever anyway, but I'm willing to bet that a good portion of the homeless population would take up any opportunity for help particularly the opportunity to have a roof over their head, have regular meals, and health care assistance when/if required.

These people shouldn't be treated as lepers.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd prefer to see homeless people provided with decent housing and support, instead of leaving them on the streets even if they have mental health problems or drug addictions.

[abc]

homeless communities should be constructed on the outskirts of town...this has worked in some places in the USA

nobody wants to live near these people as most of them have drug/mental issues however they function better in a community of like minded people

Yep, we should perpetuate the "town camps" on the outskirts of white towns in the outback. What a brilliant solution to hide the problem instead of address it and help people to (re-)join society.

Not only that, pushing them into some 'camps' on the fringes of a city doesn't help obviously, but not every homeless person is a drug addict or suffering mental health issues.
There's a good chance quite a few wont accept any help what so ever anyway, but I'm willing to bet that a good portion of the homeless population would take up any opportunity for help particularly the opportunity to have a roof over their head, have regular meals, and health care assistance when/if required.

These people shouldn't be treated as lepers.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd prefer to see homeless people provided with decent housing and support, instead of leaving them on the streets even if they have mental health problems or drug addictions.

Would you like them living next door to you?

[SBD]

homeless communities should be constructed on the outskirts of town...this has worked in some places in the USA

nobody wants to live near these people as most of them have drug/mental issues however they function better in a community of like minded people

Yep, we should perpetuate the "town camps" on the outskirts of white towns in the outback. What a brilliant solution to hide the problem instead of address it and help people to (re-)join society.

a predictable and hysterical response from someone low on real world information and high on sanctimony

Wow. "Hysterical" isn't very often one of my adjectives. Naive and ignorant perhaps, but rarely hysterical.

You're right, I have no real-world experience of homeless communities on the outskirts of towns in the USA. Would you like to explain why that would be different and better for the residents than the town camps I thought of in Australia please?

My experience of Australian homeless people with drug or mental issues is that the issues are at least as likely to be caused by the homelessness as the other way round. Treating them as adult human beings and helping to find/create secure housing and food might resolve the drug and mental health issues too. Is that provided in the USA model?

[abc]

Yep, we should perpetuate the "town camps" on the outskirts of white towns in the outback. What a brilliant solution to hide the problem instead of address it and help people to (re-)join society.

a predictable and hysterical response from someone low on real world information and high on sanctimony

Wow. "Hysterical" isn't very often one of my adjectives. Naive and ignorant perhaps, but rarely hysterical.

You're right, I have no real-world experience of homeless communities on the outskirts of towns in the USA. Would you like to explain why that would be different and better for the residents than the town camps I thought of in Australia please?

My experience of Australian homeless people with drug or mental issues is that the issues are at least as likely to be caused by the homelessness as the other way round. Treating them as adult human beings and helping to find/create secure housing and food might resolve the drug and mental health issues too. Is that provided in the USA model?

https://mlf.org/community-first/

[Will]

https://mlf.org/community-first/

I know we often disagree, but that’s actually a really good idea to help the homeless. Better than what we’re offering in Australia.

[mattblack]

https://mlf.org/community-first/

I know we often disagree, but that’s actually a really good idea to help the homeless. Better than what we’re offering in Australia.

See what happends when acrtual evidence is posted along with random opinions.

[abc]

https://mlf.org/community-first/

I know we often disagree, but that’s actually a really good idea to help the homeless. Better than what we’re offering in Australia.

See what happends when acrtual evidence is posted along with random opinions.

a lot of people post opinions here

however there are too many highly strung people who are triggered too easily by things resultant from their conditioning

[rev]

114 suburbs in Adelaide with a median of $1 million or more. That's about a quarter of all suburbs.

https://www.realestate.com.au/news/reve ... f-over-1m/

Code: Select all

Suburb	Number Sold 12 months	Median Sale Price 12 months	Change in Median Price 12 months
Medindie	18	$3,120,000	6.2
Unley Park	19	$2,760,000	23.4
Rose Park	10	$2,600,000	N/A
Springfield	11	$2,550,000	N/A
Malvern	31	$2,460,000	15.1
Tennyson	14	$2,335,000	18.2
Hyde Park	13	$2,250,000	N/A
St Peters	38	$2,177,500	14.6
Glenelg South	33	$2,165,500	N/A
Leabrook	15	$2,150,000	N/A
Toorak Gardens	27	$2,000,000	20.5
College Park	14	$1,975,000	N/A
Dulwich	18	$1,927,500	5.5
Tusmore	18	$1,927,500	16.3
Netherby	26	$1,920,000	44.9
Joslin	15	$1,895,000	20.3
Rosslyn Park	28	$1,872,500	39.3
Erindale	22	$1,865,000	14.6
St Georges	31	$1,850,000	16.4
Millswood	25	$1,840,000	22.7
Unley	52	$1,829,000	24
Hazelwood Park	33	$1,810,000	12.6
Highgate	25	$1,800,000	37.4
Hawthorn	34	$1,772,500	7.6
Walkerville	40	$1,727,500	-5.7
Beaumont	42	$1,697,500	4.5
Westbourne Park	39	$1,650,000	25.1
Gilberton	22	$1,637,500	135.6
Urrbrae	27	$1,625,000	18.6
Myrtle Bank	36	$1,620,000	20
Somerton Park	86	$1,617,500	27.4
Glenunga	31	$1,600,000	-7.4
Kingswood	24	$1,585,000	-3.9
Henley Beach South	52	$1,580,000	16.4
Glenelg	23	$1,580,000	1.2
Wayville	12	$1,562,500	35.8
Goodwood	44	$1,555,000	10.4
Linden Park	35	$1,549,000	19.7
Colonel Light Gardens	27	$1,520,000	25.6
Glenelg East	42	$1,514,000	13.8
Kensington Park	34	$1,510,000	18
Burnside	45	$1,500,000	16.1
Teringie	12	$1,488,750	8.7
Fullarton	33	$1,483,000	23.1
Stonyfell	19	$1,475,000	0.3
Royston Park	17	$1,467,000	-2
Glen Osmond	29	$1,450,000	16.6
Kensington Gardens	43	$1,450,000	-6.5
Seacliff	21	$1,430,000	31.8
Henley Beach	81	$1,425,000	2.2
Beulah Park	22	$1,410,000	17.2
Torrens Park	50	$1,405,250	10.4
Stirling	54	$1,405,000	15.2
St Morris	26	$1,400,750	42.4
Mitcham	32	$1,400,000	15
Wattle Park	47	$1,400,000	18.6
Trinity Gardens	22	$1,375,000	-1.8
Lower Mitcham	26	$1,362,550	20
North Brighton	44	$1,345,000	22.3
North Adelaide	86	$1,340,000	34
Heathfield	10	$1,340,000	35.4
Glenside	51	$1,338,580	3.8
Parkside	78	$1,328,000	15.5
Aldgate	50	$1,327,500	14.3
Frewville	12	$1,322,500	N/A
Grange	107	$1,320,000	14.8
Fulham	66	$1,315,000	16.4
South Brighton	55	$1,315,000	48.6
West Beach	59	$1,300,000	6.6
Brighton	55	$1,300,000	14.8
Payneham South	15	$1,296,500	36.5
Glenelg North	100	$1,285,000	29.3
Sunnyside	10	$1,275,000	N/A
Maylands	17	$1,265,000	-9.2
Marino	41	$1,250,000	22.5
Cumberland Park	25	$1,245,000	7.8
Eastwood	12	$1,245,000	N/A
Kensington	18	$1,229,500	N/A
Marryatville	10	$1,226,000	N/A
Black Forest	16	$1,212,500	9.6
Craigburn Farm	38	$1,203,500	12.7
Croydon	20	$1,202,000	37.4
Payneham	27	$1,200,000	26.3
Crafers	27	$1,200,000	11.4
West Lakes	99	$1,180,000	37.2
Vale Park	41	$1,175,000	11.9
Clarence Park	31	$1,167,000	-0.1
West Hindmarsh	17	$1,150,000	44.5
Belair	61	$1,150,000	21.3
Hove	58	$1,145,000	6.5
Glengowrie	86	$1,142,500	10.4
Glandore	34	$1,141,000	15.8
Lockleys	79	$1,140,000	3.6
Fulham Gardens	72	$1,135,000	15.8
Kent Town	10	$1,125,000	N/A
Prospect	124	$1,125,000	22
West Lakes Shore	42	$1,125,000	17.2
Manningham	18	$1,120,000	24.6
Nailsworth	20	$1,104,000	-2.7
Tranmere	62	$1,100,000	19.2
Stepney	18	$1,080,000	N/A
Clarence Gardens	32	$1,074,500	16.8
Marden	36	$1,050,000	19.7
Woodville Park	18	$1,050,000	36.4
Firle	26	$1,040,000	11.3
Magill	172	$1,035,000	14.9
Glynde	23	$1,025,000	18.2
Evandale	12	$1,022,500	-20.4
Daw Park	28	$1,019,500	24.8
Felixstow	46	$1,014,500	12.4
Seacliff Park	48	$1,007,500	26.7
Novar Gardens	30	$1,002,500	3.9
West Croydon	48	$1,000,250	8.1
Sefton Park	13	$1,000,000	20.8

[rev]

This is interesting..
There's more to read at the link but I think this is the gist of it.

Under the CBA-Coposit scheme, the buyer is programmed to pay the balance of the 10 per cent deposit in weekly, interest-free payments during the typical two- to three- year construction phase before then entering into a traditional purchasing mortgage when the project is completed, not necessarily with CommBank.

The reason behind the interest-free payments is because Coposit’s business model is based on receiving a fee from developers.

It’s therefore not a first-home buyer loan or financial product, as Coposit doesn’t fund the buyer.

Coposit makes its money when a pre-sale occurs and they charge the developer a fee.

Coposit will hold the money in a trust pending settlement. The incentive for developers to join Coposit’s platform is the CBA arrangement allows the $10,000 deposits to be assessed as 10 per cent deposits by CBA to speed up project construction loan approvals.

https://www.realestate.com.au/news/afte ... cement=spa