Re: News & Discussion: Low/Mid-Rise CBD Development
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:30 pm
Seems odd that you should need construction approval to build lego brick buildings
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Do they need to? The square is close to existing retail outlets in every direction.Ben wrote:I personally hate what they’ve done to that square. One developer should not be allowed to develop so much land in the one space individually without having a cohesive precinct plan approved. They offer poor architectural form, poor amenity (go to an open and see if you could fit a mattress in the bedrooms) and poor community connectivity (no active street frontages are all). They have increased the population by hundreds but offered nothing in the way of retail or services to the people that live there or nearby.
Precisely. I live behind the Ale House and for me the Markets is only a ten minute walk, Rundle Mall twelve minutes, Hutt Street IGA ten minutes. There is an abundance of retail for what I need, and in terms of cafes and restaurants there are so many tucked away in places or otherwise on Pulteney Street.SRW wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:04 amHurtle and Whitmore (and indeed Wellington) squares are not like Victoria/Hindmarsh/Light. I think it's reasonable to exclude ground floor retail from multi-storey living complexes in predominately residential areas, particularly when primary retail strips exist nearby (in this case, Pultney Street and to a lesser degree Sturt/Halifax). By way of comparison, there's a number of similar constructions along Anzac Highway and Churchill Roads, and it would be folly to expect all to contain retail. Especially so given physical retail's decline.
I suppose a solution could be flexible design of ground floor apartments so that they can easily be converted into shopfronts if the demand arises. That and flexible zoning to allow the conversion to take place.SBD wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:40 pmThese are not tall buildings or they would not be in this low/mid-rise forum. What is the typical suburban population required to support a local coffee shop, convenience store, pub, Chinese restaurant, pizza shop etc? If the entire square developments will be sufficient for these they need to be provided somewhere in or nearby the development. The reason these higher density living are in the city is because many of these things already exist nearby.
In suburban developments, land can be left to add these things later when the population supports it. In the city centre, leaving space for future development isn't such a great idea. It will either be vacant shopfronts or immediately filled. The earlier 1- and 2-storey buildings facing the square were mostly residential without retail at ground level, so stacking them six-high leaving balconies for street interaction but no ground level retail isn't that unreasonable.
8 levels including ground according to render on page 111
Application Number: DA/506/2020
Type: Application Assessed on Merit
Lodged: 15/09/2020
Location: 2-8 Hocking Place, ADELAIDE SA 5000
Description: Construct 8 level building containing retail and parking at ground level and apartments above
Name
ENZO CAROSCIO ARCHITECTURE
More bloody retail, really? Seriously, I know that buildings without ground level retail have been criticised on these forums but where do those developers including retail expect to find long-term/sustainable tenants? How long do most cafes last at the bottom of these buildings? How often do we see tacky retail businesses that don't last more than six-months or that these retail spaces that sit empty for upwards of a year before they end up being fitted out for clerical offices? It's very one-dimensional of developers to think that Adelaide needs a retail component to every low/mid/high-rise building that goes up in the CBD and beyond, also very one-dimensional to presume that people wouldn't want to live on the ground level of an apartment building provided they were met with adequate security for their premises.Ben wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:20 pmthis is just off Whitmore square next to the Salvos site I believe.
Application Number: DA/506/2020
Type: Application Assessed on Merit
Lodged: 15/09/2020
Location: 2-8 Hocking Place, ADELAIDE SA 5000
Description: Construct 8 level building containing retail and parking at ground level and apartments above
Name
ENZO CAROSCIO ARCHITECTURE
Yeh the thought of random drunks urinating on your front window or door in the early hours of the morning on weekends sounds appealing to many I guess.Patrick_27 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:58 pmMore bloody retail, really? Seriously, I know that buildings without ground level retail have been criticised on these forums but where do those developers including retail expect to find long-term/sustainable tenants? How long do most cafes last at the bottom of these buildings? How often do we see tacky retail businesses that don't last more than six-months or that these retail spaces that sit empty for upwards of a year before they end up being fitted out for clerical offices? It's very one-dimensional of developers to think that Adelaide needs a retail component to every low/mid/high-rise building that goes up in the CBD and beyond, also very one-dimensional to presume that people wouldn't want to live on the ground level of an apartment building provided they were met with adequate security for their premises.
I think more of the building's common amenities -- gyms, theatres, kitchens etc -- could be located at ground, especially in buildings where there's no special outlook to warrant them being at a higher level. That way you're getting activity and passive surveillance at street level (instead of vacant shopfronts) and extra apartments in the freed space above.how good is he wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:33 pmI think the planners/those approving the developments want the the ground floor “activated” with businesses/retail. I guess what’s the alternative? Just a foyer or a ground floor apartment?