[SWP] Lot 14 (Old RAH Site)

[rogue]

I would love to see a national indigenous cultures centre in Australia and preferrably Adelaide, but struggle to comprehend how a centre in Adelaide would put us "on the map" more so than centres listed interstate in the excellent article that gnrc_louis posted on 24/4.

Perhaps time for a new idea for the site that is unique and difficult to replicate…

[Llessur2002]

Technically, the Labor Malinouskas Government is actually more right-wing than the previous Liberal Marshall Government.

I can see the argument might apply to Malinouskas vs Marshall but given some of the 'interesting' characters on the former Liberal government's benches I'd be reluctant to apply that to the governments as a whole.

Either way, the Malinouskas government has just successfully legislated a voice to SA's Parliament and generally makes positive noises about advancing Aboriginal issues. An Aboriginal Arts and Culture centre feels very much up their street so to appear to be gradually backing away from the proposal suggests to me that all is not as rosy in the business case department as some would hope.

I might be completely wrong - the government might decide to throw another $100M at the project to make it, hopefully, a truly world-class institution. If the numbers stack up and benefits materialise then I'll be fully supportive of the venture.

[abc]

Indigenous art sector says sales have dropped after allegations of interference by white staff at Tjala Arts
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-05/ ... c_news_web

APY Aboriginal art centre denies any wrongdoing over claims white staff interfere with Indigenous paintings
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-22/ ... /102236264

maybe we should just cut out the middleman and call it the white feminist art centre

[Ben]

What about we think big and think to the future. Every man and their dog are doing indigenous galleries.

What about a museum of Space History and Exploration, right next to the Space agency. Build something futuristic, unique and adaptable.

Incorporate a GoMaFA

Gallery of Modern and Future Art

[SBD]

Maybe instead of exhibits under the generic banners of "Indigenous Australian" or "Aboriginal culture", a new gallery could focus on the diversity and difference across our first nation cultures. We all know the name of the group named in a Welcome to/Acknowledgement of Country, but how many of us can actually describe the differences between Kaurna, Ngadjuri, Narungga, Peramangk and Ngarrindjeri (all close to Adelaide) for example? Not just where they live(d), but how are they different from the neighbours in the way we can distinguish Croweaters from Sandgropers or French from Germans?

[Spotto]

Technically, the Labor Malinouskas Government is actually more right-wing than the previous Liberal Marshall Government.

How do you figure that?

[Mpol02]

Given his stance on suburban sprawl, and not being a fan of public transport, it would seem he is more conservative

[rev]

Indigenous art sector says sales have dropped after allegations of interference by white staff at Tjala Arts
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-05/ ... c_news_web

APY Aboriginal art centre denies any wrongdoing over claims white staff interfere with Indigenous paintings
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-22/ ... /102236264

maybe we should just cut out the middleman and call it the white feminist art centre

What the does this shit have to do with this development?

[abc]

Indigenous art sector says sales have dropped after allegations of interference by white staff at Tjala Arts
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-05/ ... c_news_web

APY Aboriginal art centre denies any wrongdoing over claims white staff interfere with Indigenous paintings
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-22/ ... /102236264

maybe we should just cut out the middleman and call it the white feminist art centre

What the does this shit have to do with this development?

everything

the development is based on a fraudulent industry

[Patrick_27]

Indigenous art sector says sales have dropped after allegations of interference by white staff at Tjala Arts
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-05/ ... c_news_web

APY Aboriginal art centre denies any wrongdoing over claims white staff interfere with Indigenous paintings
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-22/ ... /102236264

maybe we should just cut out the middleman and call it the white feminist art centre

What the does this shit have to do with this development?

everything

the development is based on a fraudulent industry

Not sure how genuine artefacts are ‘fraudulent’? I don’t have a problem with people seeing this site as having other potential but you’ve defended yourself as not having a chip on your shoulder about Aboriginal matters (education, culture and the like) but you make comments that kind of sound like it… Not having a go, just trying to understand what your resounding negativity towards this project and seemingly broader education of these cultures is?

[Patrick_27]

I would love to see a national indigenous cultures centre in Australia and preferrably Adelaide, but struggle to comprehend how a centre in Adelaide would put us "on the map" more so than centres listed interstate in the excellent article that gnrc_louis posted on 24/4.

Perhaps time for a new idea for the site that is unique and difficult to replicate…

The sheer breadth of our state’s collection would set us part.

[abc]

What the does this shit have to do with this development?

everything

the development is based on a fraudulent industry

Not sure how genuine artefacts are ‘fraudulent’? I don’t have a problem with people seeing this site as having other potential but you’ve defended yourself as not having a chip on your shoulder about Aboriginal matters (education, culture and the like) but you make comments that kind of sound like it… Not having a go, just trying to understand what your resounding negativity towards this project and seemingly broader education of these cultures is?

the area was promised by the Rann government as being earmarked to return to parklands

instead we have a cynical political vanity project which won't put this place on the map any more than a one way freeway when we have under resourced critical infrastructure in need of funding

if we had such rich world class artefacts in storage then they'd be in the museum and art gallery in place of the existing items which aren't bringing people from all over the world to visit

[Vasco]

everything

the development is based on a fraudulent industry

Not sure how genuine artefacts are ‘fraudulent’? I don’t have a problem with people seeing this site as having other potential but you’ve defended yourself as not having a chip on your shoulder about Aboriginal matters (education, culture and the like) but you make comments that kind of sound like it… Not having a go, just trying to understand what your resounding negativity towards this project and seemingly broader education of these cultures is?

the area was promised by the Rann government as being earmarked to return to parklands

instead we have a cynical political vanity project which won't put this place on the map any more than a one way freeway when we have under resourced critical infrastructure in need of funding

if we had such rich world class artefacts in storage then they'd be in the museum and art gallery in place of the existing items which aren't bringing people from all over the world to visit

Rann promised a portion to be returned, nothing ever as large as that.

Nevertheless, not the first and won’t be the last time that policies and decisions change.


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[Llessur2002]

The sheer breadth of our state’s collection would set us part.

Is there somewhere that describes this collection? Google has not been my friend here.

Does it have significant breadth and diversity to allow meaningful rotation, or is it just large?

[rev]

Indigenous art sector says sales have dropped after allegations of interference by white staff at Tjala Arts
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-05/ ... c_news_web

APY Aboriginal art centre denies any wrongdoing over claims white staff interfere with Indigenous paintings
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-22/ ... /102236264

maybe we should just cut out the middleman and call it the white feminist art centre

What the does this shit have to do with this development?

everything

the development is based on a fraudulent industry

Aboriginal culture is fraudulent?

It's telling that you see no problem with the rest of the development occurring on the old rah site..