[COM] New Royal Adelaide Hospital | $2.1b

[Will]

Before my Sensational Adelaide Activity becomes dormant again for the next few weeks (am awaiting someone to mention that this is a good riddance ) due to the IB which is consuming nearly all of my time, while my other fellow Year 11s go into town and have fights (sadly and utterly dispicably) or simply do nothing because they have as much time on their hands as I did during the summer holidays (pfft! and they claim to be "at the business end of High School As if the current SACE isn't easy enough, the Future SACE will have students doing only 3 subjects -or so I've hears from 2010's Year 11s); I'd like to post a bit of information which I have discovered since my last post. I'll either a) Get criticised for putting down Meda Mike (whom I may meet at the Anzac Highway Underpass opening tomorrow); b)Get told that this information has already been posted on S-A; c)Get no response because its a negative truth about Rann's scheme and most will go silent and have nothing to say; d) All of the above; or e)None of the above.
Anyway, since my last post I have learnt that one of the reasons the Media Mike wants to controversially shift the RAH to the Prime Real Estate Land at City West, is because by building a new hospital, they will make it Private and Public. HOWEVER, what this means is that you will walk in and be asked "Public or Private?" If you respond "Public" you'll go down the stairs into the basement (not literally of course , but you won't have your personal wards, toilets, etc. that John Hill has used as his main ammunition against the Doctors in the 2009 Battle of Health in the 2010 StateWar). Meanwhile, if you respond "private", you'll go and get pampered and most of the things being promised by Media Mike, will be received (of course with the financial crisis, these things will get scaled back while the cost continues to blow out ). Now I am aware that many will be sent into the 'Private' part of the hospital (so many that it will get crammed and people will begin to faint and Media Mike, Conlon and Foley will tell them to "wear lighter clothing" ), however essentially they are cutting back on Public services, etc. in order to save money, current clinics from the RAH will go, where to? Possibly Media Mike's trash can; Media Mike will toy with poor Lance Armstrong's mind again come the next Tour Down Under (Let it be known that I am not in any way, and nor am I intending to, criticise Lance Armstrong, I just feel sorry for him that he has Rann constantly stalking him from the moment he sets foot off the Aerobridge, to find Media Mike saying "Hello, i built this Airport you know, it was all MY idea and had nothing to do with the government before me." )
Anyway, still the chances of Rann's City West Hospital coming to fruition seems to shrink every day, because people can see that he is well and truly losing the plot with power, and honestly for the sake of the State ALP Party, it would probably be best for them to go, reshuffle and come back for the 2014 with a better Leader and Government because poeple are sick tired of Rann and his cronies. All the better, because if Rann loses this election, no longer will we technically have the Greens as the head party of this state, why do I think so? Well, let's start with Media Mike's wife... Seriously though, when you think about it, the Greens are running this State. Victoria Park Grandstand: didn't take much to go did it?; plastic bags that people conveniantly use for their garbage: going, going gone; Parklands contsantly being allowed to rot despite push by the public for development on them; new Hospital: we were very careful to make sure we didn't intrude the parklands weren't we ; the list goes on and i hate it. Why? See the last word of my signature.


P.S. Oh BTW, I'm aware that I sound like the "whingeing opposition", but I hope that the Rann supporters here realise that that is the point of having an oppositon -to provide a complete democratic system. 'Democratic'... Media Mike should look up that word

I don't support building a new hospital at the railyards however what you have written about it, is complete crap. Every patient that comes into a hospital is asked whether they are public or private, this isn't something new. But furthermore I ask you to visit the new Queen Elizabeth Hospital. With the exception of the 4 bed wards for acutely ill patients in front of the nurses quarters, the majority of patients are housed in individual rooms with ensuites. And yes these are public patients.

Every new hospital is built with the majority of rooms being single rooms. The reason is to stop cross infection between patients.

[mooshie]

Holy hell...you support Tollways!


Driving a car is bloody expensive as it is. No way in hel am I EVER going to pay to drive on a tax funded road. We dont need that shit in SA.

no one says you have to drive on it.
They operate conveniently in many cities around the world. I have just come back to Adelaide after living in Sydney for 2 years and the toll roads are great. My job involves a lot of driving around yet I would only use the tolls about once a fortnight, when I needed to get somewhere quick though it is great to have that option.

[Shuz]

-Yawn-

[Brando]

Holy hell...you support Tollways!


Driving a car is bloody expensive as it is. No way in hel am I EVER going to pay to drive on a tax funded road. We dont need that shit in SA.

no one says you have to drive on it.
They operate conveniently in many cities around the world. I have just come back to Adelaide after living in Sydney for 2 years and the toll roads are great. My job involves a lot of driving around yet I would only use the tolls about once a fortnight, when I needed to get somewhere quick though it is great to have that option.

You can yawn all you like Shuz but mooshie is right. Give us the option is all we are saying. If you don't want to pay, don't use toll roads...That simple. I too have lived interstate and used toll roads to fast track my journey across town.

I won't go on in this thread, but i'm happy to discuss the many positives of tolls in it's appropriate thread.

[Professor]

OMG

Only in Adelaide would people complain about getting a new hospital! I often wonder if those that are defending the RAH have actually been in there lately as a patient or as a visitor. It is pretty awful and the staff and patients deserve better - a greenfield site is by far the best option.

And as for toll roads - it is just user pays, it's as simple as that. I object to having existing roads that I have already paid for turned into toll roads (ie like the Melbourne airport toll road which was a taxpayer-funded freeway). But if someone built a toll road that helped me save 30 minutes on South Road from Darlington to the CBD for $3.00. then count me in.

[dsriggs]

OMG

Only in Adelaide would people complain about getting a new hospital! I often wonder if those that are defending the RAH have actually been in there lately as a patient or as a visitor. It is pretty awful and the staff and patients deserve better - a greenfield site is by far the best option.

I agree with this. Sure the outside of the RAH looks rather nice, but it looks REALLY tired inside. Also, people are complaining about the lack of beds in Adelaide (and rightfully so), but how many are going to be put out of commission during a refurbishment??

[Aidan]

As much as I am opposed to the new site I tried to think of some positives.

Those aren't really positives! But we already know what the positives would be - it's just that they're unlikely to be worth the real cost.

1. Once or during development it should spur the ACC development of the Torrens area behind it.

...separated from the City by some huge structures that are quite inappropriate for the location!

2. Thinking about City Peak Hour Traffic the Ambulances can make use of the 'no car zones' on the Tram Tracks .

Ambulances will be slowed down by the extra lights that went in when the tram tracks were constructed!

3. Flinders is ideally near the Junction of the Southern Expressway so in turn the RAH be near a future northerly Expressway .

The DTEI aren't planning to build such an expressway. And even if they were, there are two obvious drawbacks: firstly its location opposite the end of West Terrace would limit options on how traffic from it could enter the City. Secondly expressways are better at taking the longer distance traffic from the outer suburbs, but they have hospitals of their own.

Consider the local needs: the Inner Eastern suburbs don't have a hospital (apart from Glenside, but mental hospitals don't count!)
The Inner Western suburbs do have a hospital, only about ten minutes' drive away from the New RAH site. So most emergency patients would have to go further, and therefore take longer, to get to hospital.

[rhino]

P.S. Oh BTW, I'm aware that I sound like the "whingeing opposition", but I hope that the Rann supporters here realise that that is the point of having an oppositon -to provide a complete democratic system. 'Democratic'... Media Mike should look up that word

Whinging is the point of having an opposition? Whinging provides a complete democratic system? Are you in the Parklands Preservation Association? Maybe You should look up that word Adam.

[adam73837]

i have rhino; several times actually .
I heard that there was a stand somewhere at the Royal Adelaide Show (which I'm refusing to attend) where Media Mike was showing off what a new room in the hospital would look like. I have also heard from people that it cost about $120 000. Is Media Mike aware that that could provide the salary of... 2 nurses?
But no, we're in election mode, that's why we're travelling across the world making deals with big names. I'm not complaining about the fact that it's happening, but why hasn't this sort of stuff been done in the last 4 years?

[muzzamo]

I heard that there was a stand somewhere at the Royal Adelaide Show (which I'm refusing to attend) where Media Mike was showing off what a new room in the hospital would look like. I have also heard from people that it cost about $120 000. Is Media Mike aware that that could provide the salary of... 2 nurses?

There was also a stand of similar Grandure for the desal plant. What it comes down to is that the $$$ spent on PR for a project scales with the total number of $$$ spent on the project.

In other words, these are fucking huge projects, the biggest we have seen, and yes millions of dollars are going to be spent on PR for these projects just as millions will be spent on HR or other costs.

[rhino]

I heard that there was a stand somewhere at the Royal Adelaide Show (which I'm refusing to attend) where Media Mike was showing off what a new room in the hospital would look like. I have also heard from people that it cost about $120 000. Is Media Mike aware that that could provide the salary of... 2 nurses?
But no, we're in election mode, that's why we're travelling across the world making deals with big names. I'm not complaining about the fact that it's happening, but why hasn't this sort of stuff been done in the last 4 years?

Would you rather a government that just went ahead and did things without showing the public what they were up to, or what they can expect from their taxes? Do you think the people who plan, build, set up, and dismantle, and man these displays should do it for free (let alone the cost of materials, rental os space, etc). How many people do you think will have a look at these displays while the Show is on? Thousands. If this wasn't done, you would be whinging about an arrogant government that doesn't keep us informed!

[adam73837]

Do you think the people who plan, build, set up, and dismantle, and man these displays should do it for free (let alone the cost of materials, rental os space, etc).

Of course not! How dumb do you think I am? Granted I'm only Year 11, but I'm not that stupid.

How many people do you think will have a look at these displays while the Show is on? Thousands. If this wasn't done, you would be whinging about an arrogant government that doesn't keep us informed!

How many people do you think didn't want this thing from the start? Tens of Thousands. And no I wouldn't whinge about the arrogant government who doesn't keep us informed, because it's Media Mike we're talking about who constantly updates us on his Twitter profile. If anything, he's informing us too much about the things we're sick of hearing.

[Splashmo]

What is your point, adam73837? In every post you complain about "Media Mike". Get over it, seriously. How do you know whether South Australians do or don't want the new RAH?

[adam73837]

In every post you complain about "Media Mike".

Yes I do; and this isn't a dictatorship, I have just as much a right to complain about Media Mike as you do to praise him. And don't anyone say that there is a limit, because there has been quite a bit of Rann worshipping around the place (not just on S-A), so excuse me if I struck a nerve with the Rann Supporters here.

How do you know whether South Australians do or don't want the new RAH?

How do I know? I don't really. Just the majority of hospital staff asking for the money to be spent on improving the current facilities and the other hospitals; just the people living in the country pleading for their services not to be cut; just letter after letter from people into internet forums, news papers and websites (yes I read The Advertiser, satisfied? -wait a minute, why should I be asking that anyway?); just nearly everyone you talk to about the 'issue' wanting the riverfront used for something else for future generations to enjoy (and I don't just mean stadiums thank you very much); just all the talkback on radio stations where I listen to people expressing their frustration about the issue and the Government being unwilling to discuss this with the public.
I don't really have much evidence Splashmo.
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[Norman]

How will building the new RAH directly affect country health services? They could be cut without building it. And what do you think Talkback stations are made for, for people speaking positively about something? No, they're here for one's expression of complaint and anger, or whinging if you must.